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Old June 24th, 2003, 8:01 am
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There's just one problem with Harry living with Lupin. What if something like in book 3 happens again and Lupin is too busy to take a little time off and use the Wolfbane stuff properly? Harry could get extremely hurt.


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Old June 24th, 2003, 8:24 am
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I'm afraid there is a strong possibility that Lupin will die. Voldemort gave Wormtail a silver hand, remember??? What kills werewolves??? SILVER.


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Old June 24th, 2003, 8:27 am
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I would be very, very miserable if Remus died. There are reasons for and against his death, though, so I guess we can't really be sure until the last page of the last book!

If we look at Remus' name, and take account of the story of the foundation of Rome, then it is possible that he might be killed by someone close to him - perhaps not a brother, like in the story, but maybe someone who was once a close friend, eg. Wormtail.

The fact that he's a werewolf increases his danger ten fold. Voldemort could exploit people's distrust of werewolves to turn them against Lupin somehow... Which would not be good.

Personally, I can see Remus being taken away somehow - maybe to prison, maybe he has to go on a dangerous mission somewhere... In any case, I think he and Harry will be separated for a long time, but *fingers crossed!* they'll be reunited in the end. Or if Harry manages to get himself killed in the last book, Lupin will be Harry's Horatio, the one who goes on to tell the story of the Boy Who Lived.

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Old June 24th, 2003, 8:27 am
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But it's a silver hand, right? It doesn't have sharp points on it, right? **Whimpers** Lupin can't die...There is a possibility...but he just can't...he has to escape somehow...maybe defeat Wormtail himself. Excellent! He could get revenge! He could kill Wormtail instead of Wormtail killing him!!


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Old June 24th, 2003, 8:29 am
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First of all, I'd like to agree with all the anti-Lupin-is-James theories, and I'd like to add that I think OotP goes even further to discredit the theory by showing us their personalities. The Lupin we see in Snape's memory is very like the Lupin we know now. I just don't see the younger James growing up into a calm, compassionate, even-tempered man like Lupin. Besides, as Cat mentioned, the reasons for Lupin's behaviour were revealed at the end of PoA, when Harry found out Lupin had been James' friend. Not only would it be completely pointless, it would go against so many things in the book, like the finality of death. HP is not a fairy tale.

That said, if JK kills off my other favourite character, too, well... if the Cod Squad needs backup...

It's that darn silver hand... did anyone notice if Lupin ever picked up any of the Black family goblets and all that that Mundungus was interested in? I'm searching for anything that'll discredit the idea that touching silver will kill a werewolf.

I have completely forgotten what the topic of this thread was. I hope I haven't strayed too far...


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Old June 24th, 2003, 9:13 am
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Oh, it's TOUCHING silver? Oh my...silverware is definitely not the thing for Lupin then....Erm...that makes things a lot harder for him then...all Wormtail would have to do is poke him and he's gone.


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Old June 24th, 2003, 10:01 am
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Sigh, i do hope the silver hand is just a mere coincidence and Wormtail will do a Gollum aka Darth Vader in Harry's and LV's final deathmatch...

Then Lupin can adopt Harry as his godson and they live happily ever after.


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Old June 24th, 2003, 3:34 pm
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Has anybody noticed that in all this time, Ms Rowling has never mentioned that silver harms werewolves at all, yet we all presume it? Sometimes, in mythology or movies, werewolves are immortal, but we know that's not true for Lupin. So why do we all take the other 'werewolf fact' that silver can kill werewolves for granted? It's probably that effing silver hand making us quiver...

But I don't always get the 'death by silver hand' theories. If Wormtail touched you, he'd probably crush you. So he could kill anybody by giving them a prod. There's no dramatic flair there for the hand being (possibly) made out of silver. Then again, I can imagine it now. If Wormtail touched Lupin and cut him at all, Harry might think 'Oh, it's just a minor wound'. Then it would be 'No, it's silver' *Falls over*. It's also easy to imagine Lupin getting too close to Wormtail for two reasons - firstly, to kill him - or secondly, just to talk to him, to reason with his old mate.

I should be scared by this. But the fish isn't out yet. Because I know that if it's easy to imagine it probably won't happen...


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Old June 24th, 2003, 7:24 pm
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I love seeing my theories out there now. It really makes me feel better about being considered crazy for them to begin with. :wacky:

Silver wounds werewolves. In the majority of folklore, it burns to the touch. It's tolerable for a short period, or for the strong-willed...

..But it causes pain just with the touch.

A wound inflicted by silver can take a -long- time to kill. A severe wound caused by silver can be fatal.

His name is REMUS, as in Remus and Romulus. Raised by wolves, sure, but also the brother who dies.. killed by the other.

Wormtail wasn't in this book. I doubt JK just ditched him entirely... I think she has something in store for him. And I'm afraid it's going to be him killing Lupin.

I don't think it likely that she gave him this powerful new tool and a new sense of loyalty to Voldemort, then got rid of him. I think he's going to be involved in the next really disturbing death. And I think it's too well set up for it not to be Lupin...

...But, maybe he'll just hurt Lupin. Who knows.


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Old June 25th, 2003, 11:30 am
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Can I join the Cod Squad too? After all, the only consolation I can get from Sirius's death is the hope of a more prominent role for my beloved Lupin. In OOTP he was basically there to be the all-round nice guy and he pulled it off admirably. Mind, did anyone else notice when Sirius said that Lupin was hacked off at Umbridge for her anti-werewolf law? He might not be such a nice guy if he met her! (OK, I was kinda hoping he'd eat her...)


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Old June 25th, 2003, 11:37 am
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Eep! :'( oo stop it! You guys are starting to scare me! I don't want Lupin to die! *stamps around like a temperamental four year old*

...even though after reading the above it seems the most likely thing in the world...

^-^; the next few books are most certainly not going to be fun!

I tried posting yesterday but with the forums going a lil nutz it didn't work-and i can't quite remember everything I had wnated to say...soo...This may be a little bitty-

-I love the codsquad idea, definately want to be a member..then if Lupin dies...:bite: its piranas.

Great post on Lupin's character Siriusly Remus- to be honest i've never really analysed any of the books much before, I don't like thinking when i dont have too-but that was very interesting

Good point on the mythical Remus too-bouncing ferret and you too emilyrose! It doesn't bode well for Lupin having a name like Remus does it?
thankies for the info on harmful effects of silver too...it didn't mention squat in a book i have, just said the silver weapon had to be blessed by some st Hubert
wormtail wants to stay far far away from our fav lil wolfie with that big ugly silver hand of his...
ya know-I don't think i even want to consider the possibility that J.K would be so cruel as to kill off poor Lupin

ah well...

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Old June 25th, 2003, 11:50 am
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Lupin is my favourite character, and I also feared the silver thingy, and thankfully he wasn't killed. But he could be killed in the next books, it's perfectly possible (though I hope he doesn't pass away!). Anyhow, JK said he was her favourite character so hopefully she won't be so cruel.


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Old June 25th, 2003, 1:17 pm
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Any ideas as to what the big part he will play in Book 7 is?


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Old June 25th, 2003, 3:37 pm
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Originally posted by EmilyRose (original post)
I love seeing my theories out there now. It really makes me feel better about being considered crazy for them to begin with. :wacky:

Silver wounds werewolves. In the majority of folklore, it burns to the touch. It's tolerable for a short period, or for the strong-willed...

..But it causes pain just with the touch.

A wound inflicted by silver can take a -long- time to kill. A severe wound caused by silver can be fatal.

His name is REMUS, as in Remus and Romulus. Raised by wolves, sure, but also the brother who dies.. killed by the other.

Wormtail wasn't in this book. I doubt JK just ditched him entirely... I think she has something in store for him. And I'm afraid it's going to be him killing Lupin.

I don't think it likely that she gave him this powerful new tool and a new sense of loyalty to Voldemort, then got rid of him. I think he's going to be involved in the next really disturbing death. And I think it's too well set up for it not to be Lupin...

...But, maybe he'll just hurt Lupin. Who knows.
It never does well to be so sure of your own theories.

Anyway, are you sure that it is a common mythological attribute that werewolves are harmed by silver? Or is it, say, a common werewolf movie attribute?
People who were executed as werewolves were generally beheaded or burned at the stake, I think. So clearly olden people thought there were other ways to rid your village of werewolves...

And don't take too much from the name Remus. Remember - it's relevent to wolves and it sounds cooler than 'Romulus'. What more reason do you need to name your werewolf Remus?


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Old June 25th, 2003, 3:52 pm
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I would be crushed if she killed off Lupin :'( I may even cross the pond to join the Codsmack group, lol

I think Lupin will become more important in the next books. Hopefully he'll take on a fatherrole for Harry, although I have a sneak feeling, somehow he will come back to Hogwarts. This may be difficult, since everybody knows he's a werewolf now, but still. It's just a feeling.

He is my favourite character. I think I even have a literally crush on him. I loved his character when you first read about him in book 3. He just feels so right.


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Old June 25th, 2003, 4:37 pm
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Great, it looks like the Cod Squad's on!

I can see a lot of reasons for Rowling to kill off Remus, but there are more reasons to keep him alive. He has to keep the legacy of the Marauder's alive. I think that he has to be the one to face Wormtail in the end, because of there past friendship. It'll be a conflict between the suspected spy and the true traitor. Also, we still need a link to Harry's parents' past, and that's got to be Remus.
As for the silver thing, I think that a werewolf's bad reaction to silver sounds great in fan fiction, but might be going a bit far in the actual books. If Rowling touches on the subject at all, it'll probably be to disprove a reaction to silver as Muggle rumours. Or at least I hope so, because if not, Wormtail's hand is going to seriously worry me.


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Old June 25th, 2003, 5:40 pm
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Hoorah! I was so eager to talk Moony after OotP. I love this guy! Through the entirety of book 5, I was on the edge of my seat (only to be sad in the end anyway) hoping that Lupin would pull through, even though he was insignificant, to say the least. I don't think, though, that JKR will ever kill off Lupn. True, the OotP death was devestating to Harry, and, on a lesser note, me, but the death of Lupin would mean that Harry's links to his father would be forever severred. I just hope that Lupin becomes the leading adult in the books to come, especially in seven.

Good luck Moony!


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Old June 25th, 2003, 7:47 pm
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Wait, didn't Harry already use an Unforgivable against what's-her-face? Crucio, wasn't it? It wasn't very effective, of course, but I think I remember....I was shocked that he would try it, even if she DID knock Sirius into the veil.

Strange.
I meant that he'll use it properly. Remember so-and-so hag (I'm refusing to say the name) says that he has to enjoy it? Harry, sickingly enough, would probably enjoy the payback that person recieves.

And, about all the silver things...I got a book from the library (even though its not really all what I was hoping for), so I could study and learn a bit about Lupin.

It says how hard it is for a werewolf to die, because the forces of evil control him, and they do not want him to die, although he is not immortal. The way a werewolf dies is by being pierced in the flesh by silver, or of natural causes. The only thing is, my book does not specify if the silver kills him only in his tranformed state, or only in his human state, or in both.

That's where all of my hope is, because, if he can die only while tranformed, then he might not transform during his battle, if it is the other way, then he could tranform, and possibly not able to be killed. And if silver is deadly in both states, then we're screwed.

I'd like to also add that J.K. changes the use of wolfsbane, from a plant to a potion (that helps him), and she may as well change that silver piercing relic into anything......And I wonder if it's relavent that Hermione knows what exactly can kill him, but doesn't know about the hand....


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No if Moony Dies in Book 7 I will be joining the Cod Squad. I unfortunatly I think he's gonna get it even if the Silver Hand can't kill JK's Warewolfs I think it is symbolism or forshadowing that Peter will be the one who Kills my beloved Remy. More evidence is presented in Book five Snape's Worst Memory after Remus makes his warewolf joke it says everyone laughed except Wormtail.
He's such a great guy he doesn't deserve to die. I agree she would make a great counselor. I think he will become Harry's mentor. Hmm I guess his big role in Book 7 will be with the Order b/c the war will be in full swing then so they will be fighting like crazy.
Now that I think about it maybe Moony won't die I was convinced convinced that Sirius was going to survive the series b/c I didn't JK would be that cruel to fictatious characters but I was wrong. So since I am convinced Remus will die he prob won't.


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Old June 25th, 2003, 8:43 pm
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Hmmm, I thought Wormtail didn't laugh because he was worried about his own answer to the werewolf question...
But I have to agree that it would be symbolic if Wormtail killed Lupin. Can I join the Cod Squad too? I will have to cross a sea, so I can bring plenty of fish *wonders how heavy a baby whale is*


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