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Old June 29th, 2003, 8:23 pm
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I think that Sirius is dead. Lupin sounded sure when he told Harry that he's gone. While I miss Sirius I think that we will learn more about him but that's it.

If JKR brings back Sirius then (sad to say) the books will lose something for me. Because if she can bring back Sirius why couldn't she have brought back James and Lilly. And if she does bring back Sirius then what is to stop her from bringing everyone back who has died. James, Lilly, Cedric and Sirius.

If Sirius pulls an Obi Wan Kenobi then I'll feel that JKR ripped off Star Wars. And I think that JKR is a much more original writer than that.

I do however think that Sirius will appear as a symbol. After all we know what Harry's patronus is and we know what Hermione patronus is, perhaps Ron's could be Snuffles roaming again?

Who knows?

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Old June 29th, 2003, 8:34 pm
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My Theory on Sirius

Sirius' "leaving" has brough light into my mind. This is a very strange thing because there was no confirmation that he is actually "dead".

In an interview with Rowling, she said...she cried while killing one of her characters. This, unless she is trying to play a trick on audiences, confirms he is dead. But there is a few reasons to argue his death.

Harry heard voices in the veil. This could mean that Sirius was only trapped. Rowling did not really make clear what the veil actually was...

Another reason I think he is still alive is because of what Lupin said. Lupin was not reluctant to saying he's dead. He was really rushing harry away than actually stating his death with his knowledge. Perhaps Lupin could have been trying to get Harry away whilst finding a way to help Sirius.

But, even if the veil only trapped, he could die inside from starvation, suffocation, or the spell that hit him square in the chest...

Based on what I know I would say there is a slight chance he might return but most likely he is....and I regret to say it, Dead.


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Old June 29th, 2003, 8:39 pm
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Bellatrix's spell was not Avada Kedavra, because in Avada Kedavra there is a flash of green light, and a sudden rushing sound. When he died, it only said a JET of green light his him. It was definately the veil. However, he is NOT gone. He is just dead. He will appear again, I am sure, but he is dead, and he cannot come back to life. But he will appear again.


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Old June 29th, 2003, 8:47 pm
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Dumbledores words to Voldemort

PLEASE READ

Well, i was not to belive my eyes during the killing of dear Sirius, it all happened so fast though I had been fearing that it woud be him who would die since Harrys dream of him and Voldemort.
But why? Is it to show how dreadful Harrys life is? the only thing that kept him going and his last remaining link to his parents (that we know of) being pulled away from him by some disturbed death eating hag?

But, what crossed my mind was the conversation between Dumbledores and Voldemort in their fight (page 718):
V-"There is nothing worse than death Dumbledore!"
D-"You are quite wrong" (actions) "Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has aways been your greatest weakness"

Now that is, a hint.
AND in his office, Dumbledore isn't that full of grief and sorrow over Sirius, (and I can just say that I shared Harrys impatient and anger towards him..) but there must be something more.
The viel hides a very deep mystery, no doubt about it, and sirius was killed by falling into it, not by some curse (he was hit by one yes, but I don't think it was leathal for nothing was said by Bellatrix, there was just the back and forth fiering going on)
and as disapointed I ever might be in Dumbedore througout this whole book- (I dind't recognize him at all and I don't care that he had to stay away from Harry because of Voldemorts possesing, the only time it felt like Dumbedore, was when he fought Umbridge and the other after the revial of the DA, that was intense!)
-I sense that his words needs to be marked.
they mean alot more than just small talk.
And I am surprised to see that none of you have paid attention to this.

Sirius might be dead, but there is more to it!
JK can't snitch Harrys beloved godfather and leave him with nothing but the Dursleys and I don't care what will be revialed about them, they are awfull now and forever.
It's horribel, this cliff hanger, what is it with the viel, and not to mention the mirror? I know a great deal of you, as myself had forgotten all about Sirius gift by the time Harry came across it again.
He can't just have found it as a reminder that if he had found it earlier, Sirius's life might have been saved in oh so many ways!
if that's the point of the mirror, it's beyond evil.

This might be a little long, but I got carried away. and may I put in that I have never cried so much, as I have reading this book. Not only because of the loss of Padfoot, but through it all it was such an amazing experience reading it, and It's the best book in the series, and might be the best book out there!
In my opinion.


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Old June 29th, 2003, 9:14 pm
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when it comes to if black will come back i see three options...

1. he was killed by the veil so that later there will be a loop hole to get him back....

2. he was killed by the veil so that there is a loop hole where he can communicate with Harry...

3. he was killed by the veil so that his death seems unreal to Harry, it gives him no closure and makes his life harder. also that fact that there was no body will give him fulse hope bringing about more moments like the one with the miror in the comon room.....:'(

personaly i hope i'm right in my first option but i would probably bank on the therd one....


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Old June 29th, 2003, 9:18 pm
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I'm with your second option


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Old June 29th, 2003, 9:22 pm
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i still like my first one even if it wont happen but i think the therd one will if only for the first few chapters then the second one kicks in!


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Old June 29th, 2003, 9:25 pm
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it will most likely be that way


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Old June 29th, 2003, 9:26 pm
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i will still cry!!!


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Old June 29th, 2003, 9:33 pm
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if harry can't have black back then i think he need someone.... like a godmother......i think it would be Magonagal (how do you pell it??):??:


thats a good topic for another thred!


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Old June 29th, 2003, 9:38 pm
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You mean McGonagall?
Well yeah I agree but still I firm with the theory that Sirius will appear somehow.


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Old June 29th, 2003, 9:48 pm
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Bellatrix's spell was not Avada Kedavra, because in Avada Kedavra there is a flash of green light, and a sudden rushing sound. When he died, it only said a JET of green light his him. It was definately the veil. However, he is NOT gone. He is just dead. He will appear again, I am sure, but he is dead, and he cannot come back to life. But he will appear again.

I agree with you.. except for one little thing... on page 805 its says...
"Harry saw Siruis duck Bellatrix's jet of red light............................ The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest"


I agree it wasn't the Avada Kedavra that killed him... because Bellatrix used a red jet of light.... probably the Stupefy spell?... well my friend said that he was pobably stuned and can't do anything bout it. And I also agree that the veil was the reason he was killed.


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Old June 29th, 2003, 10:08 pm
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I too, think that Sirius is dead but not gone. I definitely have the feeling that he will be back... maybe as James and Lily "came back" in photographs, as Harry's PAtronus, as a result of Priori Incantatem etc... Maybe in a portrait. (?) We dont know if there are portraits of Sirius out there, and we also don't know how the subjects of portrait relate to their living selves... do they REMEMBER what happened to them in life?

But something Luna said toward the end of the book makes me think that we don't know all there is to know about the veil. Luna never said that Sirius was still alive, but she said that Harry would see him again (right? I'm not quoting, jsut remembering, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Now, Luna tends to be right about most things. She's a little weird, but seems to know a lot about mysterious things, and if she heard voices from behind the veil...

I don't know what the veil is, I can't even pretend to guess... but I think Sirius will be back. Not like Gandalf, not like Obi-Wan, but somehow.


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i also agree he was killed by the veil which brings up another point why the veil why not have him be killed by a spell? was it just so harry as an unreal view of his godfathers becouse theres no body?! of is it cuse the veil has a loop hole?!?! JKR said she had to rewrite the death seen to make the death more permanate....then why the veil it gives room for a loop hole....


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Old June 29th, 2003, 11:29 pm
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Even though Sirius was killed by his "dear cousin" Bellatrix Lestrange,I think he'll come back somehow, in a portrait, or some other means of communication. We cannot be sure whether Sirius is killed or just trapped in the veil, because JK Rowling never mentioned what color the flash of light Bellatrix fired at Sirius,because if it had been green, then it was Avada Kedavra. But it is equally likely that Sirius is simply trapped behind the veil, and if he had escaped from a high-security jail cell in Azkaban, he should be able to get through that veil.

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Old June 29th, 2003, 11:39 pm
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I find it curious all this thing about the death. I fusses me the fact that everybody was convienced that Sirius was death without checking his body!!! When you love somebody you want to go and 110% sure that person is death....Nobody ran to Sirius body. No one.
So, there is something odd in here. As many people say...the VEIL....what is behind the Veil we may know it in Book 6. Somebody said that once you pass the veil you are death.....Maybe that room was the Death penalty Chamber for wizards...once you were condemmed you were send to that room and pass through the Veil like an Electric Chair???....Hhhmmm What was the name of that room??? I think nobody says it in the book.


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Old June 30th, 2003, 12:14 am
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Dumbledore says to Fudge "...'you will find several escaped Death Eaters contained in the Death Chamber, bound by an Anti-Disapparation Jinx and awaiting your decision as to what to do with them.'"

I suspect that the death chamber is where the "mystery" of death is studied. But being set up with rows of seats suggests spectators, so perhaps it is (or was once) for putting someone to death.


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Old June 30th, 2003, 12:18 am
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Oh, and a veil in the death chamber probably has something to do with ... death? {g}

One can wax entirely philosophical about all the meanings behind the "mystery" ... the whisperings, the memory, whether a body is needed to prove someone dead or give a mourning person "closure", whether a dead person can come back through the veil ... But those are entirely fitting subjects for the Department of Mysteries. Or for our discussion here. :-)


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