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Old September 12th, 2007, 8:24 pm
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The Percy Jackson & the Olympians series

This series is so good. It is really amazing how Rick Riordan has made it so realistic. my favorite book in the series is Lightning Thief. My favorite Demigod is Annebeth. My favorite Olympian is Athena, and my favorite monster is Medusa.

All of the greek Mythology in it is really well done.


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Old September 18th, 2007, 11:39 pm
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Well, Riordan is careful about that. I actually like Percy better than Annabeth, though I enjoy how they work together as a team. I also think they have potential as a couple if Riordan decides to introduce more romance into the series as the main characters hit high school. There are many things I like about Athena, but I think her assessment of Percy is as fundamentally flawed as, say, Artemis' initially was. I think it speaks volumes about Percy that he is "nothing like Hercules" and that he would make the same sacrifice Artemis would (shouldering the vault of the sky, etc.). I wish you luck with this thread. I tried to start one, some months back, and almost no one responded.


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Old September 19th, 2007, 2:21 am
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erm thanks. I know that Athena's assesment of percy is very flawed. I was really depressed when Riordan put that in the book, but she is still my favorite goddess because in a way she is right. ( I am being quite frank here so please put all pitchforks, swords, and any other instruments that will cause me pain down, and slowley step back.) Percy is a danger to all of the Olympians. and Annabeth is likely to have her life endangered more than once because Percy is her friend. I think that Percy and Annabeth would make a great couple. They really do make a great team, and everybody can tell just by reading the opening chapters of titans curse that they really do like each other.


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Old September 19th, 2007, 5:59 pm
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I understand your position. In fact, I don't disagree with Athena's assessment either, at least not completely. It's true that Percy puts more value on the lives and safety of those closest to him than he does on the WORLD or WESTERN CIVILIZATION--which are the ultimate goods in Athena's view. However, he has overcome that obstacle within himself each time he's had to face it, and with better success each time. Annabeth will clearly be a target in the last two books because Kronos and Luke will be trying to exploit Percy's affection. Of all the gods and goddesses, I confess that Athena is probably my favorite as well. However, as I said previously, I believe that the assessment of Artemis' departing second that Percy "is nothing like Hercules" is the more insightful and important analysis of his character. He seems unique among heroes in that his greatest flaw is more to his credit than his shame, just as his namesake is unique among the ancient heroes in that his story ended happily (except that he turned his in-laws to stone--but that might have been a blessing in disguise anyway). I find it incredibly ironic that Hermes had such faith in his son, Luke, that he gave him a task that even defeated the greatest of the ancient heroes. I believe that speaks volumes about Hermes' opinion of his most powerful son in centuries. It's too bad that Luke will probably never find out the honor that Hermes intended for him and, indeed, has already shown him.

The greatest mystery of the series is the meaning of that first prophecy the Oracle gave to Percy. What exactly is "that which matters most?" From which perspective is it considered? Percy's? The gods'? The world's? Is there a completely objective standard that we haven't seen yet? Because depending upon the perspective, that doom could have very different meanings.

I mean, Percy could end up making the wrong choice and dooming western civilization in that fifth book. Or he could lose the ability to control that choice. Or, he could be forced to sacrifice Annabeth or his mother completely. Or, he could lose his own humanity. Or...something else entirely.


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Old September 20th, 2007, 12:00 am
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Re: The Percy Jackson & the Olympians series

I agree with you on the point that Annabeth will be in immediate danger. She is one of the persons that Percy loves most and as demonstrated in Titans curse Percy's fatal flaw is personal loyalties. I also think that in the fourth book Kronos might not play on Percy's fatal flaw. in the past three books that is what Kronos does I think that in this book he'll come up with a different plan (it's about time to.)


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Old September 20th, 2007, 8:47 am
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Most villain plans try to exploit the most significant or obvious advantages--frankly I think Kronos has been quite creative in the methods he's used to try to gain power--and frankly, the last couple have been specifically to get Percy out of that pivotal position to determine the outcome of the war (including reviving or retrieving other children of the Big Three as substitutes). Here's another question--remember way back in The Lightning Thief when Percy discovered that Kronos was controlling Ares? Is Ares still subject to him, or did that showdown on the beach set psychotic biker free?

Also, what's your read on Luke?

What's your personal opinion about that pivotal prophecy?


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Old September 20th, 2007, 10:16 pm
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Re: The Percy Jackson & the Olympians series

I personally don't think that Kronos is still controlling Ares. he wasn't really really controling Ares just infringing on his better judgement (like Ares has any) I think that Luke really is being lied to a lot. I can understand how he feels resentfull towards his dad and Kronos is playing on that.


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Old September 25th, 2007, 9:07 pm
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The really tragic thing about Luke is that he's one of the bravest and most powerful of the demi-gods in the last century, and his father paid him the ultimate compliment by setting him a task that had defeated the "greatest" of all the demi-gods Hercules. Hermes had faith that his son could do something that Zeus' children couldn't. Unfortunately, he didn't tell Luke when he gave him the quest--that probably would have insulated him against Kronos.

As for Ares--No, it seems clear that Kronos was actually controlling him--planting thoughts in the war god's head and seeing them executed. It was actually Kronos who stopped Ares from killing Percy in that last battle of The Lightning Thief. Here's what I don't get--Percy saved Ares' bacon there and actually helped one of Ares' own children complete an important quest. Why has Ares maintained a curse on Percy? Is he really THAT stupid?


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Old September 25th, 2007, 10:32 pm
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Re: The Percy Jackson & the Olympians series

Erm yes Ares is THAT STUPID! I think that what happened with Luke is sad. your right. about Hermes paying his son the untiamte compliment ( if any of ths seems contradictory just know I change my mind every hour.)


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Old September 26th, 2007, 7:01 am
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Re: The Percy Jackson & the Olympians series

It's sort of the same with me. I have to say, I'm not a fan of the parenting styles of ANY of the Big Three. I think the proof is in the pudding in those instances. Zeus' latest daughter had to be almost completely self-reliant, and her closest relationships were with Annabeth and Luke. Hades' son is really an immature, petulant brat. His sister made a stupid and deadly error that directly resulted in her death and he blames Percy for it--going so far as to say "I hate you"? I realize he's young, grief-stricken, and shocked--but I find that reaction disturbing at the very least. I realize Ares is stupid and stubborn and proud, but in the face of overwhelming facts he's not going to back down even a hair? Really? There are aspects to war that require strategy and critical thinking--did he miss out on ALL of them?


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Re: The Percy Jackson & the Olympians series

I think that Ares missed out on the stratagey's that require thought thinking, and other things. That is why Athena is War goddess. She covers everything that Are's dosn't. I think that it must be difficult to be one of the olympians, ecspecially with parenting. you really cant give any help directly, or give encouragent outright. Some of the olympians just really dont care about there kids. Hades ecspecially. He cared enough to get both of his kids out of the loctus casino, and take them to a new school. he didn't even claim Nico. Ares was also cruel to Clarissa in Sea of Monsters. When they were on the riverboat he told her that she wasn't good enough and that he should have sent one of his sons to do it.

Hey do you know when book four is coming out?


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Old September 28th, 2007, 6:00 pm
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I think you're giving Hades a bad rap. I'm not sure he ever knew what happened to his kids (he didn't dump them in the Lotus casino, it seems like some monsters or someone acting at Kronos' direction did that). He kept to the Pact, and he probably thought that his last two children were killed with their mother. Plus, remember his griping about the expansion of the underworld--with the advent of modern warfare, mass terrorism, and the population explosion--well, he'd be worked right down to the bone. He never leaves the Underworld anymore--how would he know that his kids were in Lotus. I think they were taken there and stashed by someone working for Kronos and retrieved at a precisely timed moment by someone else working for Kronos.


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Old September 28th, 2007, 10:47 pm
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Hades howeer has a plausible exscuse. His kids were both born before the pact. He is not breaking the pact. I think that if he had claimed Nico Nico might not have ran away.

oh the fourth book comes out May 6th 2008. The title is released October 4th.


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I've been checking both the Percy Jackson site and Riordan's blog feverishly since that was announced. I liked the Clarice short story--it showed the depth of Percy's heroism and empathy. It also demonstrated that Clarice, at least, is more reasonable than her father.

Yes, Hades has a plausible excuse. Someone has been very carefully manipulating his children behind his back.

About the claiming--I think Nico would have split even if Hades had claimed him. He'd have been looked on as a freak by nearly everyone in camp and he still would have blamed Percy (quite wrongly, as a matter of fact) for the debacle with his sister's death by stupidity.


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Cool I must read that.

I think Hades might have a bit of an issue with claiming his kids. He hates all heroes (says so in Lightning Thief.)


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I believe the reason he hates all heroes is that none of them respect him and they just create oodles more work for him--also, I think he's probably bitter that he stuck to his vow and his brothers ignored theirs. Also, does Hades say that himself in The Lightning Thief, or is it said about him? There's a key difference. If Hades voices that hatred--then it would appear that he'd have a hard time with his kids (although the bitterness over not being allowed to have kids might have contributed to his hatred). However, if someone else said it--Grover, Annabeth, one of the other campers, or even Chiron or one of the other gods--that's an assumption. The god I remember who hates heroes with a passion in this series is Mr. D (I'm using first-book shorthand because it's late and I don't feel like hunting all over the place for the proper way to spell the wine god's full name). His wife was the discarded consort of a hero who'd had her heart broken--and he blamed all heroes for that. Artemis' huntresses, particularly her lieutenant had the same view--but Percy challenges it. I wonder if Mr. D will ever seen Percy for what he truly is, like the huntresses have.

The short story is posted on Riordan's blog in three parts.


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I agree with you Mr.D really dose seem to hate all heroes. He has a valid reason too. I think that Mr. D probably wont see sense.


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The thing I really don't understand about him is that Percy's right in front of him and his cards are usually on the table. Anyone who bothers to look can see that Percy is nothing like Hercules--in fact, nothing like MOST of the heroes of ancient myth or the modern campers--but D doesn't really care or bother to notice. I hope that continued experience with Percy will force him to reevaluate his assumptions about heroes.


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I think that Mr. D. wont change any time soon. He really is an overgrown brat. He is biased against heroes because of what Thesus did to his wife even though Percy is indeed nothing like Thesus, Hercules, or any other hero


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Yeah, isn't it strange that Percy is almost desperately unique--distinct even from his namesake and Orpheus who shared his fatal flaw? Dionysus' relationship with his wife showed maturity and caring I didn't think he had--but, I think he needs to take a long, hard look at Percy before he judges him.


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