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Old October 5th, 2009, 1:05 am
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Yeah agreed. Just because a book lacks merit or supports ideas one finds repulsive, it's far better to keep them out in the open. When one bans a book, one generates interest in it. It's a self-defeating prospect, really.
I see your points and pull back my statement that the Twilight series should be banned from public libraries. No book should. There needs to be, however, available information from both sides of the argument so someone can choose not to read the books if they don't want to. Like, instead of the constant "OMGOMGOMGTWILIGHT!!!!!!!BETTA DAN HAIRY POTER!" that even the media reinforces sometimes, its antifeministic and sexist (against both genders) themes need to be brought to the surface and in public view.


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I'll jump on the "I dislike Stephenie Meyer greatly" bandwagon and agree with Actingdude17 that the issues involved need to be talked about. Unfortunately, I think the issues that got certain evangelical parents to jump on Harry Potter, chiefly "witches and wizards as good guys will corrupt the youth" doesn't apply to Twillight, at least to the same extent.

Basically, those who care about witchcraft and wizardry don't care about a book being "antifeministic". Those who care about gender bias tend (Generally, with the "PC" crowd being a small exception) not to believe in banning books.

Another writer I have a great animus against is Ann Coulter. The fact that she uses terms like treason to describe those she describe those she disagrees with is revolting. I wouldn't care if she were a left wing liberal demonizing the right. My problem with her is that people like her poison the political debate. That to me is a real evil.

Finally I'd like to say something about the term "family friendly". Too often the word is used to tell people to shut up. Too often it is used selectively to shut up certain people or things the users of the words don't like rather being genuinely family friendly which involves explaining difficult things.

Recent encounters have given me a new appreitation of this term. It is no more then an excuse, much like certain people's use of politically correct is an excuse and more often then not, a sham.

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Twilight, specifically, has left me with nothing but disgust. It's a laborious gasp of traditional gender stereotypes being drawn to their logical extremes. Also, my blood boils whenever I'm forced to read anything by Ayn Rand. I never liked Anthem, The Fountainhead, or Atlas Shrugged.
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Twilight. I read all four books - but these books are the FIRST series I have ever read that I forced myself through I waited and waited and waited for that part that is supposed to take you in and not let me put the book down, like it did to everyone else. It never happened to me.

The book's plots are... shaky - it seemed to just jump from one thing to the next.

The Mary Sue issue, anti-feminism, tells but no show... etc... Everything that everyone has already said many times...

I'm not trying to bash the series, as I know that there are many Twilight fans here. But honestly, I tried to give the books all the chances I could... but I was very disappointed... To each their own, I guess


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No, it's not Twilight (I'm actually a fan of the series). I hate The Jungle. We get to spend a few hundred pages listening to how capitalism is the devil and socialism is the savior of the world.


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Twilight, specifically, has left me with nothing but disgust. It's a laborious gasp of traditional gender stereotypes being drawn to their logical extremes.

Also, my blood boils whenever I'm forced to read anything by Ayn Rand. I never liked Anthem, The Fountainhead, or Atlas Shrugged.

I had to read Anthem for high school, didn't get past the 1st page. I'm glad we never talked about it. I was like the ***. She has other books? yuck.

For Twilight I don't dislike it but it's not my favorite. I read all the books but it took me a while just to gee through Twilight itself. I was able to go throught the other books because of other chracter's.


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Old October 8th, 2009, 1:42 pm
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Also, my blood boils whenever I'm forced to read anything by Ayn Rand. I never liked Anthem, The Fountainhead, or Atlas Shrugged.
Here's a perfect quote:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers


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I'm offended by, of course, wait for it...Twilight. Big surprise eh?

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Here's a perfect quote:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
I have no idea what the quote means, but when I started reading Lord of the Rings, I was fourteen, and my life was changed forever.


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I'm offended by, of course, wait for it...Twilight. Big surprise eh?



I have no idea what the quote means, but when I started reading Lord of the Rings, I was fourteen, and my life was changed forever.
Big ups and seconds to the Twilight comment. Right there with you.

Atlas Shrugged is a novel by a woman named Ayn Rand, an author who has been credited for both a huge positive influence and a huge negative influence on the literary world.

Her novels are worth reading but not worth internalizing, imho. Also, it's funny that Twilight and Ayn Rand should be mentioned in the same comment, as both Stephenie Meyer and miss Rand believe women to be lesser than men in spirit, intelligence and potential.


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Personally, I like Ayn Rand and her philosophy. I think people can learn a lot from her and I don't see why it would offend anyone. She's basically saying that we as human beings shouldn't always underestimate ourselves and make ourselves smaller than we are because this is what is expected from us. I admit I only read The Fountainhead so it's possible that her other books may be more offensive or over the top. I liked the book even though I felt as though she was lecturing the readers too much at times. I wasn't too impressed by her female main character though. She even brought the book down a bit for me.
I think it's funny how people keep mentioning Twilight and saying they have issues with it from a feminist standpoint (which is good) but sort of forget that our favourite book lacks in that department too, IMO. I wouldn't call HP sexist just like I wouldn't call Twilight sexist but from what I read the romantic relationships seem to be portrayed in about the same way. I would say Twilight is better at portraying a two sided romance. Bella and Edward may be lame but the love is there, equally on both sides. In HP however I sometimes get the feeling that the women are only there to please the men and many relationships which are supposed to come across as two sided don't feel that way to me. Not trying to start a feminist debate at all just saying that, ironically, one of my favourite books is also the book which makes me angry at times. There's a lot of Twilight hatred going on and while I wouldn't consider them good books full of good role models, I must admit I don't see Bella as being a worse role model than Ginny for example. Again, not trying to start a HP discussion, just saying that it feels strange to me how people can damn Twilight for things HP fails at as well.


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As the title says, have you ever had a moment where you were so offended (reasonably) or angered by a book's contents that you promptly stopped reading, or even threw it across the room? Was it the author's intentions and/or messages that offended you or was it something else? (e.g. sending a message that, for example, women are nothing more than sexual objects that ought to be used to manipulate men).

I have had only one real offensive book-and it was only on my third scan through, where I was mystified as to why I couldn't read such a coveted book, until I realised that the author was basically sending a signal to women that they are nothing more than sexual objects to be used to manipulate men, especially of higher status.

Like many people, it would have to be Twilight. I honestly stopped reading the book when I got to the story of Sam and Emily. He ripped her face to shreds, and she stayed with him anyway because he promised he wouldn't do it again. I couldn't believe that was presented as romantic- it was so similar to an abusive relationship I felt sick.

There's a passage in My Antonia where the main character attends some kind of jazz performance. The performing musician is African American, and Willa Cather chooses to describe him in some of the most racist terms I've ever come across. It was quite upsetting.


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No , not twilight, I did not even care that much to get mad at it. It only gained my indiference. Angry real mad... The second part of little women, I dunno the name in English.I had simply loved the first book , I was hoping for a Laurie/ Jo ending and it didn´t happen. I know many people say they were not meant to be. I do differ. For instance in Harry Potter if you read carefully, you start noticing since COS that Hermione and Ron are meant to be together. As I read little women I thought at the end, when both characters have evolved they would end up together and they don´t. I siriusly hated that! It is such a silly thing but it was a book that got me mad, and dissapointed, and angry . In my opinion , May Alcott did not understand her characters well, but what do I know. Maybe it is me who does not.


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Haha, I'm with you all the way, Montse! Maybe it's because I've always secretly disliked Amy. :P Or I just liked Jo and Laurie too much, but I couldn't stand to see them not together. I liked professor Baher (it's that his name?), but I think Jo was too lively for that old man... :/

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I strongly disagree with calling what Bella/Edward feel 'love'. I think it does not make justice with what I think is the most wonderful thing in the world.

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While I'm okay with Jo and Laurie not ending up together, I just don't think he and Amy fit. I feel like it's just convenience for Laurie. Beth is dying (I don't think she's already died) and Meg and Jo are married. I don't like that.


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Mmmm. The only book I've ever really hated is The Giver. Not only did it freak me out, but I had such a hard time coping with the whole idea of their society, how it was obviously horrible and brainwashing, and why no one did anything to stop it. I seriously cried my heart out, and then told my mom to put it where I'd never see it again. I was enraged at the heartless MURDER in the book, and especially how their whole society was like, everyone has a job, but they have to lie about what they do so that everyone else can live in peace. Everyone knows something, but never enough to realize the horror of their world.
But that's kind of the point the author was making. They had chosen to give up pain, and to do that they had to give up their memories. They lived the lives they did, and did the things they did, so that they could live lives of peace and without pain or suffering. And it was horrible, because they lived lives with no real happiness, love or enjoyment. That's what her whole point was, that without pain and suffering, you can't have true happiness or pleasure and to try and eliminate pain and suffering also eliminates love and happiness. The society is portrayed as a utopia, but it quickly becomes clear to Jonah, after he has memories from The Giver, that it is actually a dystopia. Ultimately Jonas and the Giver change the society by giving them back their memories and teaching them how to deal with the sadness. It's one of my favorite books.


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I don't really get offended with books, because they're not statements of truth or opinion, they're works of art (to me). They operate on a different plane from non-literary discourse. Well, at least good books do. But I do get annoyed sometimes if an idea I strongly disagree with is hammered on and on in a book. I recently read The Unbearable Lightness of Being by Milan Kundera - fantastic book! But the way it uses so much page time justifying the main character's womanizing, twisting itself in knots and giving far-fetched, even bizarre excuses for his endless string of affairs (while he's married) was quite irritating. It felt weak, like an overzealous assurance that it's really ok, when everyone involved in the discussion knows it isn't.


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But that's kind of the point the author was making. They had chosen to give up pain, and to do that they had to give up their memories. They lived the lives they did, and did the things they did, so that they could live lives of peace and without pain or suffering. And it was horrible, because they lived lives with no real happiness, love or enjoyment. That's what her whole point was, that without pain and suffering, you can't have true happiness or pleasure and to try and eliminate pain and suffering also eliminates love and happiness. The society is portrayed as a utopia, but it quickly becomes clear to Jonah, after he has memories from The Giver, that it is actually a dystopia. Ultimately Jonas and the Giver change the society by giving them back their memories and teaching them how to deal with the sadness. It's one of my favorite books.
I really liked The Giver too, and I also had the impression that their 'perfect world' was everything but perfect, but they could not possibly know, because they didn't have the memories.

But I was going to ask if you've heard of the sequel? I remember something about a sequel, but i'm not really sure. :/


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Perhaps you might like to move discussion of that book to its proper thread, The Giver and other books by Lois Lowry, and get back to the topic of this one?


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