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Old March 16th, 2010, 7:34 pm
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I'd always compare Supernatural to Buffy and Charmed rather than The X-Files. If this show had a successor, it would be Fringe, in my opinion. J. J. Abrams can protest all he likes, Fringe operates on the same more-than-natural global conspiracy level.

Ha ha, well I hated what I saw of Charmed and I love Supernatural so I wouldn't ever compare them! I was thinking more in tone than anything else, and a lot of that comes from having some of the same people working on them, and being filmed around Vancouver, except while The X-Files had the government conspiracy Supernatural has the Heaven/ Hell thing, but a lot of the stand alone episodes are very similar to stand alone episodes of the X Files. I guess some of it is a bit like Buffy, but for me Buffy was all about the characters and not the creatures.

I haven't watched any Fringe yet. I think I'd like to wait until it is finished before watching it, I'm still really behind with Lost (I watch it on DVD so I am up to the end of season 4) and I'm a little wary about where it is headed considering some of the spoilers I've read, so I don't want to invest too much time in another JJ Abrams thing without being prepared from the beginning that I might not like the end! But does it ever feel like a rip off of The X Files? Because FBI agents investigating mysterious things... Just how many places can you take that?


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Old March 16th, 2010, 8:26 pm
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Ha ha, well I hated what I saw of Charmed and I love Supernatural so I wouldn't ever compare them!
I didn't particularly like Charmed and I think Supernatural is an entertaining but not very good show, that wasn't my point. I was comparing the themes and characters. Charmed had three sisters, Supernatural has two brothers. Buffy has the Chosen One and so has Supernatural. They're all fighting monsters, not uncovering alien conspiracies. The X-Files didn't go for the 'supernatural threat calls for supernatural powers' angle. Neither Scully nor Mulder had special powers and they didn't mutter pseudo-Latin spells or throw salt to defend themselves. Fringe is closest in terms of structure but I don't think it's on the same level as The X-Files. For instance, they didn't manage to recreate the chemistry that Mulder and Scully had.


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Silly life, always getting in the way of having a proper geekfest When I want to work through a boxset I sometimes just go several weeks setting my alarm to go off 45 minutes earlier in the morning so I can watch an episode before I have to get up and out of bed

And I'm glad you're enjoying Supernatural, the first 2 seasons in particular make it the the most X-Filesy programme I've seen since The X-Files. although it changes direction quite a bit (not in a bad way, just different) You can't beat a bit of Mulder and Scully love, though
Yep I know . Ah nice planning there .

Agreed. I don't mind Fringe... but to me, it's no where near as good as the X-Files was. And from what I've seen -- it's only now found it's stride. The whole alt universe thing is creeping me out . And Supernatural -- I love the writing in it especially .


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Fringe is closest in terms of structure but I don't think it's on the same level as The X-Files. For instance, they didn't manage to recreate the chemistry that Mulder and Scully had.
Agreed there. And definitely agreed on the chemistry thing. They aren't even close when it comes down to that one.


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I didn't particularly like Charmed and I think Supernatural is an entertaining but not very good show, that wasn't my point. I was comparing the themes and characters. Charmed had three sisters, Supernatural has two brothers. Buffy has the Chosen One and so has Supernatural. They're all fighting monsters, not uncovering alien conspiracies. The X-Files didn't go for the 'supernatural threat calls for supernatural powers' angle. Neither Scully nor Mulder had special powers and they didn't mutter pseudo-Latin spells or throw salt to defend themselves. Fringe is closest in terms of structure but I don't think it's on the same level as The X-Files. For instance, they didn't manage to recreate the chemistry that Mulder and Scully had.
Well, to be honest the alien conspiracy episodes were not my favourite X-Files episodes so aren't really the first thing I think of when I think about the X-Files. I preferred episodes that stood by themselves- some of my favourites that spring to mind are Ice, Tombs, Darkness Falls, Arcadia, Home etc. Hmm.. I think I pretty much liked the ones where Mulder and Scully got stuck somewhere unpleasant! The bees and super soldiers and conspiracies were what made me eventually fall behind with watching it when it originally aired because I could never remember what had been happening. It was better on DVD, but personally I much prefer the mytharc stories in Supernatural because I really like the angels and demons, but I prefer the one shots of The X-Files because they are some of my favourite TV episodes of anything, ever


I wonder if The X-Files would have been nearly as succesful if it hadn't been for the chemistry of the leads? That was what kept me watching it and obsessing over it back then and even now I still find it really enjoyable to see them together and they are probably easily my favourite on screen pairing (not in a romantic way- eurgh, William...)


Oh, and random piece of trivia- I missed the first few episodes of season one because I thought it was a pornographic show, because of the 'X' I wondered why on earth my dad wanted me to see it! What a plonker I am.


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Well, to be honest the alien conspiracy episodes were not my favourite X-Files episodes so aren't really the first thing I think of when I think about the X-Files. I preferred episodes that stood by themselves- some of my favourites that spring to mind are Ice, Tombs, Darkness Falls, Arcadia, Home etc. Hmm.. I think I pretty much liked the ones where Mulder and Scully got stuck somewhere unpleasant! The bees and super soldiers and conspiracies were what made me eventually fall behind with watching it when it originally aired because I could never remember what had been happening. It was better on DVD, but personally I much prefer the mytharc stories in Supernatural because I really like the angels and demons, but I prefer the one shots of The X-Files because they are some of my favourite TV episodes of anything, ever


I wonder if The X-Files would have been nearly as succesful if it hadn't been for the chemistry of the leads? That was what kept me watching it and obsessing over it back then and even now I still find it really enjoyable to see them together and they are probably easily my favourite on screen pairing (not in a romantic way- eurgh, William...)


Oh, and random piece of trivia- I missed the first few episodes of season one because I thought it was a pornographic show, because of the 'X' I wondered why on earth my dad wanted me to see it! What a plonker I am.
Agreed there. It's very easy to get lost in the whole mythological aspect of the show itself. It's been so long since I've seen any of those episodes, that I've forgotten a lot of it... So I guess it's coming up on a myth rewatch for me... so I can remember things.

Hmm, good question. Probably not so much. The chemistry was in part what made the show what it was. As for eurgh William thing -- I'm a fan of the romantic relationship . They did a good job with what they were given (as in the actors). That's why I liked it in the end, in spite of its flaws... *cough* Whiny Scully, giving up William for adoption, etc.*cough*

Nice . I was too young to have seen the first couple of seasons myself... so it wasn't until season 3/4 that I got into the show myself.


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I just watched the two-parter in which Mulder's mother dies and he finds out about his sister being gone into the starlight. So sad.

I didn't quite understand what had happened to Samantha and Amber Lee though. They'd disappeared from their beds before they could be kidnapped. How did they die?


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I just watched the two-parter in which Mulder's mother dies and he finds out about his sister being gone into the starlight. So sad.

I didn't quite understand what had happened to Samantha and Amber Lee though. They'd disappeared from their beds before they could be kidnapped. How did they die?
Yea. Those episodes were very sad .

I think that the 'aliens' (what ever they were) -- took them before the bad guys (Cigarette Smoking Man and the like) could get a hold of them. That's my take on it anyways.


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I just saw 'Milagro' last night -- I stayed up late -- I couldn't sleep for some reason .

Still don't get it -- in terms of the way that CC and GA view it... as in the whole obsessed fans thing . To me it's still the whole obsessed fan fic writer/writer thing. That's pretty much how I viewed it.

How about all of you? How do you guys view this episode?


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I love Milagro. It's one of my favorites. Though I don't look at it in terms of the fandom. I just look at it on its own.

A friend and I are going to try and re-watch the series together. We started last night and watched the first two episodes. After the second one was over she turned to me and asked, "How many episodes are there in this series?" I responded with, "202 hours baby!" She continued with, "Only 200 more to go!" Though I might have to skip some of season 9, I don't know


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I already decided against watching any episodes with the Mulder replacement. The X-Files without Mulder aren't the X-Files.


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The X-Files should always have consisted of stand-alone episodes.

Once they began to pursue the multi-episode/season arcs about the black oil and so forth....I tuned out.

As for the OP's questions:

Mulder was the best character.

Skinner was the worst character.

The best episode was the one where Eugene Tooms was finally killed

The best villain was the Cigarette Smoking Man


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I already decided against watching any episodes with the Mulder replacement. The X-Files without Mulder aren't the X-Files.
Hey now... some of those eps aren't bad. I liked Doggett myself. Also I remember reading in an interview that DD did that he said that he was getting burnt out at the time... so I take that into account when I watch those eps. I have no problem with them -- only with some of the baloney (for lack of a better word) that was going on then (with the whole lawsuit issue and all that).


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I love Milagro. It's one of my favorites. Though I don't look at it in terms of the fandom. I just look at it on its own.

A friend and I are going to try and re-watch the series together. We started last night and watched the first two episodes. After the second one was over she turned to me and asked, "How many episodes are there in this series?" I responded with, "202 hours baby!" She continued with, "Only 200 more to go!" Though I might have to skip some of season 9, I don't know
Ah. I see -- don't blame ya there. I guess when I look at it from that angle it makes some sense.

Cool -- good luck with that one. And nice comment from her there . Don't skip all of it . The kiss in the Truth is awesome . Along with some of the other episodes...


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I finished the series finale just now. Iiiiinteresting.

I didn't particularly like season nine. I tried watching everything but, no. The T-1000 isn't for me. Doggett is just too clichéd for me to be likeable. And the William plot was also messed up, in my view. I only now found out that he isn't dead but was adopted - and now the film makes so much more sense. Anyway, adoption always leaves a paper trail, so the poor boy isn't protected any better but now he's with people who don't know anything.


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I finished the series finale just now. Iiiiinteresting.

I didn't particularly like season nine. I tried watching everything but, no. The T-1000 isn't for me. Doggett is just too clichéd for me to be likeable. And the William plot was also messed up, in my view. I only now found out that he isn't dead but was adopted - and now the film makes so much more sense. Anyway, adoption always leaves a paper trail, so the poor boy isn't protected any better but now he's with people who don't know anything.
Ah yea it is. Have you listened to Kim's commentary about it yet? It's a good one... I learned a lot more about how they made the episode and all that.

I see . A walking cliché then . At least he wasn't terrible overall -- I can put up with him over the whole William debacle.

Ah ... even more confused now... yep it does... and Chris now has egg all over his face . I wonder how that will be dealt with if there ever is a third movie...


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I finished the series finale just now. Iiiiinteresting.

I didn't particularly like season nine. I tried watching everything but, no. The T-1000 isn't for me. Doggett is just too clichéd for me to be likeable. And the William plot was also messed up, in my view. I only now found out that he isn't dead but was adopted - and now the film makes so much more sense. Anyway, adoption always leaves a paper trail, so the poor boy isn't protected any better but now he's with people who don't know anything.
I always thought that it would be a possible way to work William into a film that way. He's suddenly put in danger after having been left alone for a while (since he seemed to no longer have any powers at least on the surface).

I understand Scully's concerns though. She's still walking around with a chip in her neck. It's possible she could be tracked that way. They had already used it as a sort of homing beacon. If William was always with her and they wanted to get to him they could easily find her.

As for Season 9. I don't mind Doggett and Reyes, and I think it would have been neat to have Mulder and Scully along with them, sort of like the end of Season 8. I just think the writing wasn't as good in Season 9 and the show suffered.


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I always thought that it would be a possible way to work William into a film that way. He's suddenly put in danger after having been left alone for a while (since he seemed to no longer have any powers at least on the surface).

I understand Scully's concerns though. She's still walking around with a chip in her neck. It's possible she could be tracked that way. They had already used it as a sort of homing beacon. If William was always with her and they wanted to get to him they could easily find her.

As for Season 9. I don't mind Doggett and Reyes, and I think it would have been neat to have Mulder and Scully along with them, sort of like the end of Season 8. I just think the writing wasn't as good in Season 9 and the show suffered.
That's pretty much what I was thinking too. To have something like that happen (like him being abducted or his step parents (adoptive) being killed in order to take him)... would be really traumatic and I could definitely see Moose and Squirrel going out there to save their son.

Interesting... I've never viewed it in that way. I figured that the chip was removed... that wouldn't be good if they did that.

Agreed about Doggett and Reyes, I thought (for the most part) that they added to the series. And it would be interesting to see them in the mix if there is a third film.


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As for Season 9. I don't mind Doggett and Reyes, and I think it would have been neat to have Mulder and Scully along with them, sort of like the end of Season 8. I just think the writing wasn't as good in Season 9 and the show suffered.
Agreed. The overall plot was a bit, um, out there. It's not that I actively dislike Doggett and Reyes but they don't have the same chemistry as Mulder and Scully and that's what made the show. The loss of these dynamics combined with weak writing made season nine a bit meh and boring.


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Agreed. The overall plot was a bit, um, out there. It's not that I actively dislike Doggett and Reyes but they don't have the same chemistry as Mulder and Scully and that's what made the show. The loss of these dynamics combined with weak writing made season nine a bit meh and boring.
Seconded . Ah... the old chemistry thing . Well they didn't have nearly as much time to develop a rapport like David and Gillian did. So that has to figure in somewhere too. Just a thought.

As for the writing... it was rather weak.


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Personally, I feel that David and Gillian had great chemistry from the start and that it was rather special. The new duo had big shoes to fill. If the writing was stronger and they had decided to either have both Mulder and Scully still there in some capacity or gone altogether then maybe it would have worked better, at least for me. The way it was seemed like it was in limbo. They were afraid to let go of Mulder and Scully, but they lost Mulder's presence, and Scully had a baby so they were stuck. An ensemble could have worked, or letting go of Mulder and Scully could have worked. The latter would have been sink or swim, but I think it was kind of like that regardless. The writing may have been more inspired if they weren't torn in two directions.


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Personally, I feel that David and Gillian had great chemistry from the start and that it was rather special. The new duo had big shoes to fill. If the writing was stronger and they had decided to either have both Mulder and Scully still there in some capacity or gone altogether then maybe it would have worked better, at least for me. The way it was seemed like it was in limbo. They were afraid to let go of Mulder and Scully, but they lost Mulder's presence, and Scully had a baby so they were stuck. An ensemble could have worked, or letting go of Mulder and Scully could have worked. The latter would have been sink or swim, but I think it was kind of like that regardless. The writing may have been more inspired if they weren't torn in two directions.
Seconded there. Heck yea they did -- and even though they didn't fill them, they did the best that they could have and that all that matters in terms of that .

As for the writing... like you said -- if it was stronger and it had Mulder and Scully still there in some way, then it may have worked better. But remember -- they (the writers) were rather burnt out by then. So I kind of give them the benefit of the doubt there.


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Just watched Fight the Future last night I actually prefer this movie to IWTB (although that dang bee ruined a certain scene )

I also watched 'How the Ghosts Stole Christmas'. One of my fave. eps I was reading your guys previous posts and I do agree that the monster-of-the-week eps (the standalone eps) are the best. When I started watching the series several years ago, I wasn't into the mytharc eps, but now, I've gotten into them and do enjoy them (but I still don't like the supersoldier episodes )


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