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The thing that has always worried me is, where was Nagini when 'the dark lord' was away? I mean, after the death of the Potters, and she was a Horcrux then.....where did she go, for those 13 years? Was she a Death Eaters' pet?...was she on the loose....I think a bloody big snake is going to be noticed, don't you?


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The thing that has always worried me is, where was Nagini when 'the dark lord' was away? I mean, after the death of the Potters, and she was a Horcrux then.....where did she go, for those 13 years? Was she a Death Eaters' pet?...was she on the loose....I think a bloody big snake is going to be noticed, don't you?
Nagini became a horcrux via the murder of Bertha Jorkins. Thus she wasn't a horcrux for those 13 odd years. She was probably a normal snake when they met, most likely in Albania.


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Nagini became a horcrux via the murder of Bertha Jorkins. Thus she wasn't a horcrux for those 13 odd years. She was probably a normal snake when they met, most likely in Albania.
I agree. I think they didn't meet until after Voldemort fell.


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Nagini became a horcrux via the murder of Bertha Jorkins. Thus she wasn't a horcrux for those 13 odd years. She was probably a normal snake when they met, most likely in Albania.
For a second, I thought 'excellent idea', but somehow, I believe that he already had her before his downfall. It's the way Dumbledore talks about her, and Voldemort's attachment to her. It sounds to me as if Nagini had already become a kind of 'trademark', or Dumbledore could hardly know how 'fond' Voldemort appears to be of her.


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It sounds to me as if Nagini had already become a kind of 'trademark', or Dumbledore could hardly know how 'fond' Voldemort appears to be of her.
Between Harry telling Dumbledore about Voldemort (Nagini was at the graveyard and in his dreams etc) and Snape's information about Voldemort, I'm sure Dumbledore knew enough to realize how important she was.


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Between Harry telling Dumbledore about Voldemort (Nagini was at the graveyard and in his dreams etc) and Snape's information about Voldemort, I'm sure Dumbledore knew enough to realize how important she was.
yaahhh... I know what you mean, I guess, but... Voldemort was famous for being a Parselmouth, and also for having a weakness for theatricals, so having some snake around, especially when welcoming back his Death Eaters, wouldn't come as a surprise. To conclude a particular liking out of this... Mmm... I don't know.


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I really don't think that Voldemort knew her before he was in his weakened state in Albania. It seems as though that is where he met her and came to control her (in my opinion, of course) from the allusions to the animals he would sometimes possess while there.
I even think it was after the whole Quirrelmort thing when he was forced back there, otherwise he could have made Quirrel do what Wormtail did for him and help him get some form of a body back. But it seems this was not a possibility until Nagini came along.


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I even think it was after the whole Quirrelmort thing when he was forced back there, otherwise he could have made Quirrel do what Wormtail did for him and help him get some form of a body back. But it seems this was not a possibility until Nagini came along.
I agree and I think that when Voldemort failed to return in PS/SS and thus didn't get his hands on the elixir of life he had to search for alternatives.

Voldemort might have formed the plan in Albania that he could posses a snake and eventually live on her poison. He met Nagini when he was possessing other snakes and he liked her. He then met Pettigrew and possibly with his help he made her venomous or increased her size (depends on what kind of snake she was)

Then Nagini was milked and this made Voldemort stronger and must have increased their bond. Berta Jorkins showed up, Voldemort had become stronger and she was killed and Nagini turned into a horcrux. Now Voldemort had even more control over Nagini and knew she was maybe his best guarded horcrux, since she would almost never leave his side. That's how I think it might have happened.


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That is an excellent point indeed.


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The Nagini attacks seem to vary a great deal. I don't know what kind of snake she is, but that seems less important than her manner. In OotP, Nagini seems possessed by LV, when Harry sees through her eyes, and sees 'himself' attack Arthur Weasley at the MOM. Yet in DH, Nagini seems to act on her own, to come out of Bathilda Bagshot's neck, to attack Harry. And in fact she calls LV, somehow. And Harry has no sense of LV while in this house, or in the presence of BB.

At Malfoy Manor, Charity Burbage was AK'd, then fed to Nagini. "Dinner!"

At the shrieking shack, LV directly ordered Nagini to attack Snape.

Were there other attacks by Nagini?

Did LV imperius Nagini to do his bidding when he couldn't be there himself?

Were there other times when Nagini seemed possessed by LV?

I know that LV spoke parseltongue, but Nagini seemed to have more sentience than other animals - was this merely possession or imperiusing?

Did the Naginicrux have anything to do with LV's control of her?

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i never really thought that Nagini was possesed. I think that she was just really close to Voldemort, LV is 'snake like' in a way and he speaks Parseltongue, so he was able to communictae to Nagini really well. She may be heavily influenced because of there, well i can't say they are alike, but he is snakelike. But i think Nagini acted on her own free will.

But possesed is a good idea, not sure though


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I never thought Naginiwas imperiused, just close to Voldemort. I suspect his soul enhanced some things, and i doubt she was possessed, she just is a loving snake who happens to do bad things, lol,


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The Nagini attacks seem to vary a great deal. I don't know what kind of snake she is, but that seems less important than her manner. In OotP, Nagini seems possessed by LV, when Harry sees through her eyes, and sees 'himself' attack Arthur Weasley at the MOM. Yet in DH, Nagini seems to act on her own, to come out of Bathilda Bagshot's neck, to attack Harry. And in fact she calls LV, somehow. And Harry has no sense of LV while in this house, or in the presence of BB.

At Malfoy Manor, Charity Burbage was AK'd, then fed to Nagini. "Dinner!"

At the shrieking shack, LV directly ordered Nagini to attack Snape.

Were there other attacks by Nagini?

Did LV imperius Nagini to do his bidding when he couldn't be there himself?

Were there other times when Nagini seemed possessed by LV?

I know that LV spoke parseltongue, but Nagini seemed to have more sentience than other animals - was this merely possession or imperiusing?

Did the Naginicrux have anything to do with LV's control of her?

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Well, they have a link as well, because Nagini and Harry are both living things, both Hrcxs.


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Well, Nagini did have a piece of Voldemort's soul so it is possible that she was so willing to do his bidding based on this fact. I do not believe there would have been a need for an imperius curse in this case. The piece of soul far out weighs any type of control a spell could have, in my opinion.


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I'm guessing he was controlling the Nagini like he controlled the Basilisk?


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I think it's more likely that Nagini's actions are the results of the piece of Voldemort's soul that has been put inside her, and not an imperius curse. Can animals be imperiused?


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I think it's more likely that Nagini's actions are the results of the piece of Voldemort's soul that has been put inside her, and not an imperius curse. Can animals be imperiused?
It would seem they can, considering Barty Crouch Jr. demonstrated on spiders before on students.


As for an example directly related to Voldemort, the rabbit he killed... I have a feeling he did a sort of Imperius Curse on the rabbit to get it to hang itself. Remember Mrs. Cole's words (paraphrased) "It can't have just got up there and hung itself"


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...Oh yeah. Totally forgot about those instances. Oops.


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The Nagini attacks seem to vary a great deal. I don't know what kind of snake she is, but that seems less important than her manner. In OotP, Nagini seems possessed by LV, when Harry sees through her eyes, and sees 'himself' attack Arthur Weasley at the MOM. Yet in DH, Nagini seems to act on her own, to come out of Bathilda Bagshot's neck, to attack Harry. And in fact she calls LV, somehow. And Harry has no sense of LV while in this house, or in the presence of BB.

At Malfoy Manor, Charity Burbage was AK'd, then fed to Nagini. "Dinner!"

At the shrieking shack, LV directly ordered Nagini to attack Snape.

Were there other attacks by Nagini?

Did LV imperius Nagini to do his bidding when he couldn't be there himself?

Were there other times when Nagini seemed possessed by LV?

I know that LV spoke parseltongue, but Nagini seemed to have more sentience than other animals - was this merely possession or imperiusing?

Did the Naginicrux have anything to do with LV's control of her?

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I personally think that Voldemort had to have been possessing Nagini when she attacked Arthur Weasley because I don't believe Harry would have been able access her mind like that. He shared a link with Voldemort, not Nagini. We never saw Harry enter any mind but Voldemort's, which also leads me to believe that if Voldemort ever possessed Nagini again, he was either employing occlumency or it wasn't for anything so emotionally engaging.
I do think that the soul piece had much to do with how well Nagini followed Voldemort's orders.

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It would seem they can, considering Barty Crouch Jr. demonstrated on spiders before on students.


As for an example directly related to Voldemort, the rabbit he killed... I have a feeling he did a sort of Imperius Curse on the rabbit to get it to hang itself. Remember Mrs. Cole's words (paraphrased) "It can't have just got up there and hung itself"
I completely agree about animals being susceptible to the imperius curse. And I had never made that connection between the quote about the rabbit and controlling it. It makes so much sense, though!


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I do think that the soul piece had much to do with how well Nagini followed Voldemort's orders.
I'm not sure if that is the case because Harry was also a Horcrux and Voldemort had no control over him. My guess is that even if Voldemort knew Harry was a Horcrux that he still would not be able to control him.

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I completely agree about animals being susceptible to the imperius curse. And I had never made that connection between the quote about the rabbit and controlling it. It makes so much sense, though!
This makes a lot of sense. Nagini was just a loyal pet (for as loyal as a snake can get), who was probably controlled by Voldemort with the Imperius curse.


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