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That was kind of my point LV used a philosophy already inexistence to his own ends. He corrupted that philosophy (although IMO it was already iffy) to create a personality cult.

I have also been wondering if the reason he is so determined to avoid / conquer death is more to do with not having to face himself? There are lots of different ideas about what happens after death in the world and a significant number of them involve facing your-self /your decisions. I think it would be in keeping with what I saw of LV that he actually dislikes himself as much as he dislikes everyone else (interestingly self hate is a key feature of Narcissistic personality disorders that ifs often over looked)


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1. What attracted them to Voldemort/Tom Riddle and/or his "cause"?
I think there were different reasons. Some people really believed in his ideas of pureblood supremacy, so they would obviously want to support someone with whom they shared beliefs. Some has a desire for power, and they only choose his side to gain some. Some, I'm sure, were simply too big cowards to resist.

2. What is their motivation for staying? For leaving?
Their motivation for staying would be that they are somewhat safe while they're loyal to him. They show that they'll be sentenced to death as soon as they leave, so once you join, it's safest to stay. The people who decide to leave are the people brave enough to face whatever consequences may come to them. They realize how horrible what they're doing is, and finally decide to change their ways.

3. What do any of them have in common? Is there anything they all have in common?
I honestly don't think they all have very much in common. They all have different reasons for joining, different reasons for staying, different levels of loyalty. We have Bellatrix, the "most faithful", who says she would gladly give her son up to service of the Dark Lord. We have Lucius Malfoy, who we know is very capable of loving, and whose first priority is his family. We have Fenrir, who, as the next question says, probably couldn't give a hoot about pureblood supremacy.

4. Obviously Fenrir wouldn't give a hoot about Purebloods that weren't werewolves, so his motivation to be on the side of the DEs/Voldemort may be different from the others. What motivates the DEs who are still on Voldemort's side of the war?
In Fenrir's case, it was just Voldemort giving him what he wanted - fresh meat. He thought life would be better for him under Voldemort's reign, and he knew Voldemort had roughly the same morals as him (as in, erm, none). For others who don't give a hoot about pureblood supremacy, it would be similar, or simply a desire for power.

5. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a group like the Death Eaters?
They are all great fighters, very skilled wizards, and many of them are very brave. The purebloods really don't have a reason to fight, they could just be a quiet Voldemort supporter, out of the action. They would be safe, and they wouldn't have to face the consequences of being a Death Eater. However, they choose to fight for what they believe in (even if their beliefs are wrong, they truly believe in pure blood supremacy). Their weaknesses, for some, are cowardice. People like Pettigrew, who were either too afraid to not support Voldemort, or who just wanted protection from whomever the "big man" was at the time. And oviously a weakness would be what most of us consider bad morals.


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1. What attracted them to Voldemort/Tom Riddle and/or his "cause"?
Who actually knows I think some were recruted, some wanted what he wanted to have the world ruled by evil and purebloods only, and because well they were scared.

2. What is their motivation for staying? For leaving?
Because they were scared to leave and because some thought he was dead and some didn't want to be a death eater anymore and wanted to be good again.

3. What do any of them have in common? Is there anything they all have in common?
They all share the same hatred for half-bloods and mudbloods and blood traitors and Harry Potter and most of all they're all evil.

4. Obviously Fenrir wouldn't give a hoot about Purebloods that weren't werewolves, so his motivation to be on the side of the DEs/Voldemort may be different from the others. What motivates the DEs who are still on Voldemort's side of the war?
Evil!!!(Every Villian is Lemons)

5. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a group like the Death Eaters?
They will never know love and happiness. And they're all pretty good and well trained wizards.


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1. What attracted them to Voldemort/Tom Riddle and/or his "cause"? Their quest for vengeance, power, acceptance, bragging rights, respect. What a better way to achieve those things than through a "group" like the Death Eaters.

2. What is their motivation for staying? Fear of being seen as being disloyal and becoming an example of what happens to Traitors. However, for most, I think it was that thirst for spreading fear and holding power over others. For leaving? Guilt over the death of a loved one and realizing you weren't as cool as you thought. As bad as Severus thought he was, the second he realized Lily's life was on the line, he realized he was in over his head, needed to help her or at least give her a fighting Chance. Some may have seen what evils Voldemort and the others like Bellatrix unleashed on other people. Some were arrested, realized they were being used. However, for most, I think it had a personal, painful connection.

3. What do any of them have in common? For most of the guys, probably issues of abandonment or abuse from their Fathers. Although for most, it was seen as a right of passage. Is there anything they all have in common? That thirst for Pureblood supremacy.

4. Obviously Fenrir wouldn't give a hoot about Purebloods that weren't werewolves, so his motivation to be on the side of the DEs/Voldemort may be different from the others. What motivates the DEs who are still on Voldemort's side of the war? Fear of being hunted down, made an example of, humiliated in front of a group of people. Fear of Azkaban, having their true colours exposed. Not being able to have a "safety net" when battle ensued.

5. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a group like the Death Eaters? I don't know if there really are any strengths in a group like the Death Eaters. The weaknesses are most of the members are cowardly and wouldn't know what to do if they were abandoned on a deserted Island.


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1. What attracted them to Voldemort/Tom Riddle and/or his "cause"?

Power and also excluding the muggleborns from the wizarding world, to keep their blood pure. I am sure they forgot the hazards of inbreeding. lol

There was also a set of people who craved an outlet for their base tendencies and a legit reason to torture and kill people. They also joined Voldemort because his agenda gave them a chance to do that.

2. What is their motivation for staying? For leaving?

Their motivation for staying for those who enjoyed torture was very obvious., They got to do a lot of it. Those who wanted power and keeping those of what they thought *not pure blood* also stayed, because Voldemort was their best bet. No one else was willing to plan to keep the muggleborns away from the WW IMO.

The few who left, left because they realised the horror of what they were doing following Voldemort and since they could not justify it to themselves, they left IMO.

3. What do any of them have in common? Is there anything they all have in common?

They all thought all the 3 groups of the crazy, the power seeking and those wanting to keep the muggleborns away that Voldemort was their man who would deliver what they had joined him in the first place for IMO.

5. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a group like the Death Eaters?

Their strength was the lack of right and wrong in their approach to their demands. They were not averse to killing, torture and other things to get their way IMO.

Their weakness was the same thing; their lack of right and wrong, that would surely get them into trouble and NOT get them what they want IMO.


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Welcome to the post-DH discussion of The Death Eaters. Previous discussion without spoilers can be found here:The Death Eaters : Group Character Analysis

1. What attracted them to Voldemort/Tom Riddle and/or his "cause"?


2. What is their motivation for staying? For leaving?

3. What do any of them have in common? Is there anything they all have in common?

4. Obviously Fenrir wouldn't give a hoot about Purebloods that weren't werewolves, so his motivation to be on the side of the DEs/Voldemort may be different from the others. What motivates the DEs who are still on Voldemort's side of the war?

5. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a group like the Death Eaters?
1. Dumbledore mentioned the reasons why Riddle amassed a group of "friends" for lack of a better term while at Hogwarts and I think these apply to the Death Eaters also. There were those seeking protection, e.g. Wormtail, those seeking power, like Malfoy and those like Bellatrix who truly believed in the "cause". Or a combination of the three. These are, I think the main reasons why people joined but I'm aware there are other reasons people joined, e.g. coercion, like Draco Malfoy, and revenge, e.g. Crouch Jr. (whom I believe joined at least partially in revenge against the father who had, in his opinion ignored him).

2. Motivation for staying, either survival (changing your mind about joining this club was not an option) or a genuine belief in the cause. Reasons for leaving, to save one's own skin, like Karkaroff, regret at ones' actions, e.g. Regulus, to protect a loved one, e.g. Narcissa.

3. Apart from the three main reasons for joining, which some would have in common, I really don't think there is anything all would have in common, apart from self-interest-and even that doesn't apply to the crazed types like Bella, who are convinced that what they are doing is for the greater good of the wizarding world.

4. Yeah, Fenrir's concerns were only for werewolves and increasing the werewolf population, as for the others, many would know that winning the war is their only chance at avoiding Azkaban, given what they have done and yes, again, those who believed in the cause.

5. Strengths, their well-honed magical prowess (varying) and disregard for the life and wellbeing of others makes them formidable enemies. Weaknesses, well, they're all in it for themselves, their own survival is paramount, so you can't count on your team to watch your back as much as say, the Order/DA can. Plus, they're nothing without their leader, we see that, both times after Voldemort falls, his Death Eaters scatter, whereas when Harry is believed dead, the Order/DA do not give up as Voldemort orders, even when offered their lives, choosing instead to keep fighting.


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LV knew he wanted power, and knew how to get it. He knew he needed the rich and famous in the WW, and the way to appeal to them was through pure-blood supremacy. He needed those with money and influence, to affect wizarding laws, and to protect his followers from prolonged incarceration. He deceived them into following him until it was too late for them to escape. With the exception of Bellatrix and Barty Crouch, jr, who were hero worshippers, the rest were intimidated into staying and performing as asked to maintain their status.

I can't imagine Lucius, a real mover and shaker, would willingly bend his knee to a tyrant like LV, except to protect his family. Fenrir would go to whoever gave him the best deal, no loyalty implied or given. The same is true of the dementors and the giants.

LV's main goal was power, all-inclusive power over as many as he could command - today Great Britain, tomorrow, the world. He saw Harry as a pesky fly, one that aggravated him, but whom he couldn't pin down and squish. The DE were his minions, of varying loyalty, but who did his bidding, as asked. Perhaps they saw this as a sign of future hopes of major power in the WW, and hoped to be able to cash in on this by being in the inner circle.

The DE were all self-serving individuals, and all were trying to get to be the one that LV confided in, and who knew the most. But LV, like DD in his Machiavellian ways, kept info close to his chest, revealing the minimum to most of the DE. LV, not revealing his true agenda, kept his intimidating type loyalty going strong among those he saw as most powerful - not punishing too severely, mostly by humiliating them among their peers. This inspired them to improve their performance, to maintain their status in the WW. If they were really 'broken', they would lose their ability to truly help him in his quest. And his quest, was the ultimate goal - they were merely expendable otherwise.


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Hiya I just read this on another thread (you’ll never guess which one ) and I though it was quite pertinent to this one.

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Unfortunately I see Snape's downfall a bit like someone who is targeted by a whacky religious cult. They tend to pick on lonely people with few friends but who have a certain amount of insecurity in them to cultivate into the cult by befriending them (or pretending to) and managing to isolate them from any friends they might have. I see the Dark Arts Death Eaters Club like that with Voldemort as it's sicko leader.

Poor Sev - he didn't stand a chance... Ripe for brainwashing due to his parents rather negative influence on him and only one true friend who was rather naive to the ways of the wizarding world.

We hear about these type of people all the time and then learn that those who managed to get out are willing to act or speak out against the cult to make amends.
I think the analogy may have merit.

I personally don’t buy the idea that everyone who joined the DE knew exactly what they were getting into; IMO Regulus’s story seems to indicate this. The way I see it working is quite similar to the way people are inducted into certain illegal trades (I think cults work in a similar way - it seems to be what inkling7 is saying).
  • You start of nicely helping out & building trust
  • You start to destroy trust in others (esp family & friends)
  • You start asking for favours that are a little outside what most people would call reasonable.
  • Once you have your claws into the person then you start to increase the dodgieness of what your asking them to do.

It’s amazing/ horrific how common this sort of thing is. And it has to be said that certain types of people are targeted – predators of this type seem to be able to spot the most vulnerable to target.

I also think that it, sort of, mirrors the founding of the DE, obviously this is conjecture. But I just can’t see LV trying to attract people by saying “Hey! I’m thinking of starting an evil, despotic personality cult so I can take over the world. We could do lots of torturing & murder. It’ll be great, who’s in?” Can you?

I see it starting on the same sort of path, small things at first then growing to bigger & more horrible with time. I guess he started with something along the line of ‘muggle’s are getting a bit beyond themselves’ or ‘the rights of real wizards are being eroded – we can’t let this happen’ Let’s face it Hitler didn’t get people to support the National Socialists in 1933 on a mass extermination policy.

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I agree. Tom had a very attractive personality and his advocating the blood purist view would attract a number of the pureblood wizards. However, by the time the first war started, people knew that he was willing to do evil things to make his plans come to fruition. As early as when Lily Potter was in 5th year, she was calling Voldemort "you know who" which was a term the wizard world adopted out of fear for Voldemort. Regulus may not have realized the extent or scale of murdering, torturing and the like that Voldemort would 'grow into', but he knew the wizard was evil from the standpoint of society when he joined up.

I don't think every individual who eventually joined was suckered in though. I believe there were some who fully supported what Voldemort believed and felt his means and methods were the appropriate way of achieving those goals. Others went in seeing it as a path to power. Some were suckered in, others went in believing that it was going to be less violent and still others may have just wandered in the DE meeting rooms mistaking them for a restaurant. . I am sure there were many and varied reasons, but in the end, those who stayed either learned to accept and do the dirty work, fled and went into hiding or escaped via death, imo.


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But I just can’t see LV trying to attract people by saying “Hey! I’m thinking of starting an evil, despotic personality cult so I can take over the world. We could do lots of torturing & murder. It’ll be great, who’s in?” Can you?
Yes, yes, I can see the likes of MacNair, Bellatrix and Barty Jr. going "AWESOME !!1!!!!11!111".


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It’s amazing/ horrific how common this sort of thing is. And it has to be said that certain types of people are targeted – predators of this type seem to be able to spot the most vulnerable to target.

I also think that it, sort of, mirrors the founding of the DE, obviously this is conjecture. But I just can’t see LV trying to attract people by saying “Hey! I’m thinking of starting an evil, despotic personality cult so I can take over the world. We could do lots of torturing & murder. It’ll be great, who’s in?” Can you?

I see it starting on the same sort of path, small things at first then growing to bigger & more horrible with time. I guess he started with something along the line of ‘muggle’s are getting a bit beyond themselves’ or ‘the rights of real wizards are being eroded – we can’t let this happen’ Let’s face it Hitler didn’t get people to support the National Socialists in 1933 on a mass extermination policy.

Thoughts, comments, observations?
Interesting thoughts and I agree. I do not picture Voldemort handing out flyers saying "hey join my club, we'll rule the world AND there's gonna be punch!" I find it very interesting that you mention Hitler and the Socialism movement; Hitler got many of this 'cronies' to do his dirty work, much like I think Voldemort did. As long as he had a close knit group of people scared enough or brainwashed enough to do his bidding, he was set. Let's face it, Bella would have done anything to remain loyal but Lucius? I'm not so sure.

I totally agree with your comment about starting small then slowly growing more and more horrible as time went on. Once things started to get horrible, people knew that they had to either play along or hide/die in the process because they realized they were in too deep. You can't just be a lukewarm Death Eater, it was all or nothing. You can't 'depledge' as a Death Eater.


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1. I think that Voldemort is good at manipulating people's weaknesses and vanities. Sure, there are lots of people who believe in pureblood supremacy; LV probably approached these sorts and told them that not only were they right to think that but special. And that, I think, was a pretty major attraction, that LV formed this "special" circle of "special" people...huh, I sound like I'm talking about special-ed...what I mean is, I think people in general are attracted to special, elite circles, no matter what kind they are. Like sororities and fraternities in college or in-crowds in middle or high school...or cheerleaders, I guess, might count. Being in groups that very few people are allowed into makes people feel like they are part of a better element, and they can satisfy both their need to belong and their need to be special at the same time if they're in such a group. So, I think purebloods were probably attracted by the ideology and and both purebloods and half-bloods were attracted by the "group" thing. (I hope this is all clear, I feel like I'm jumping around a bit) As to why they all stay in despite LV's cruelty toward them, it's fear, yes, but also, I think a desire to stay in the group, be one of the "cool people". Like Cady says in Mean Girls "The meaner Regina was to her, the more Gretchen tried to win Regina back. She knew it was better to be in the Plastics hating life than to not be in at all." Not a great movie, but I think the principle in the quote could apply to the DEs.


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I agree, and I think another factor was that Voldemort promised them all power in his new regime - once he'd taken over the ministry. After taking over the ministry, I am thinking that Voldemort was planning to stretch his boundaries and eventually take over the world - so those who signed on would be very powerful indeed in the Wizard World, nationwide perhaps.


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I've been thinking about what could have drawn people who weren't indoctrinated from a young age with the blood prejudice ideals to supporting it. I think it's very like something that has been shown in terms of leaders inciting prejudice with terrible consequences in the real world. People want to be told they're important, better than others. Some people work, study, train, practice (for whatever area of endeavour) to achieve this. Other people don't and decide to look for another reason that they're better. Such people would be easily willing to believe it when they're told that their blood status makes them more important, even more deserving to live, than someone Muggleborn. For example, the junior DEs who were in school with people like Lily Evans and Hermione Granger (and judging by his membership of the Slug Club, Dirk Cresswell) would have known very well firsthand that these students were in no way inferior to them academically, and if they were insecure or determined to be better, they would have readily accepted "It doesn't matter that they're more intelligent/better at Quidditch/more popular than me, because they're only Mudbloods". (Much like what xiao_mogui was saying about Voldemort telling his potential followers they're special)

I also noted that this doesn't happen with all insecure characters - notably Ron Weasley, who shows his insecurity during the series. Perhaps there's something to do with a determination to be superior at all costs.

Accepting this prejudice also suits some, especially the insecure, I think, because it means that, under this system, success is predicated on birth, rather than acheived through effort. I think this would have drawn some to Voldemort who didn't grow up with the prejudiced philosophy. They would have believed his success would bring them status far more quickly than actually working for it and building it up gradually.


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I think the DE's joined Voldemort because they wanted to feel important. I don't think all of them knew what Riddle had in mind when he asked them to join. Then too, I don't think he asked everyone. I think some of the memebers joined when another person asked them. I wonder how many people Lucius Malfoy asked to join, as opposed to Voldemort. Somehow, I don't think Voldemort recruited a lot on his own; he had loyal followers who did the actual recruiting. It just seemed to me that a small group of students looked up to him. And as time went on, he just added more people to his group, but not everyone was in the inner most circle. Not everyone knew about the prophecy, not everyone knew about his creating horcruxes. I think the ones who stayed with him, stayed because of fear.


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1. What attracted them to Voldemort/Tom Riddle and/or his "cause"?
I think it differs for all of them. Some seem to be motivated by the cause (e.g. Bellatrix, Lucius), others seem out for power more than anything. Wormtail joined out of fear. Fenrir joined because they gave him more scope to do his thing - I can imagine he may have even approached the Order in the early days if he thought they could give him what he wants.

2. What is their motivation for staying? For leaving?
While some like Bella truly believe and will do anything, most of them stay out of fear. As Sirius put it, you don't hand in your resignation to Voldemort once you realise what you've gotten into.

3. What do any of them have in common? Is there anything they all have in common?
I don't think there's anything they all have in common. They have a similarity to cults in that the only thing that truly unifies them is their leader, or more specifically fear of him.

4. Obviously Fenrir wouldn't give a hoot about Purebloods that weren't werewolves, so his motivation to be on the side of the DEs/Voldemort may be different from the others. What motivates the DEs who are still on Voldemort's side of the war?
Those that stay probably have the same motivations as when they joined. The die-hard bloodists would be there to wipe out Muggleborns, those who want some extra power would be hanging on to the hope that they can achieve it, Wormtail wets his pants at the thought of defying Voldemort and Greyback doesn't care as long as he can get prey.

5. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a group like the Death Eaters?
Their greatest strength is their ability to intimidate. Other than that and Voldemort (obviously), they don't have much going for them. Essentially, they seem to be a fairly ragtag bunch, each with their own motivation. If Voldemort wasn't there to unite them, they would be screwed, as we saw between the two wars.


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1. What attracted them to Voldemort/Tom Riddle and/or his "cause"?

I think it was different for all of them. For some, like Snape, it was like joining a gang- a group of people who respected you and your talents when no one else did. For others, like Barty Crouch Jr, it was to get back at their daddies. Hagrid said some were in it for power, which makes sense too- I think that's what Fenrir, the Giants and the Dementors were in it for. Others were just plain insane like Bellatrix, and others did it to kill Muggleborns and purify the wizarding race (like Lucius and initially Regulus).

2. What is their motivation for staying? For leaving?

I think Sirius basically answered this question. (Paraphrasing) "You don't just hand in your resignation to Voldemort. It is a life time of service or death."

Why do they try to leave? Well, Voldemort really isn't the nicest boss.... There's really only so much a person can take. Everyone's threshold is different though, and I suppose Regulus's was considerably shorter than the Malfoys.

3. What do any of them have in common? Is there anything they all have in common?

The Death Eaters as a whole tend to emphasize conformity. Conformity (as much as possible) in blood status, in attire, and in ummm, body art.

I guess they all have at least one pureblood parent, they all have black capes and they all have Dark Mark "tattoos" on their arms.

4. Obviously Fenrir wouldn't give a hoot about Purebloods that weren't werewolves, so his motivation to be on the side of the DEs/Voldemort may be different from the others. What motivates the DEs who are still on Voldemort's side of the war?

Those that stayed were either insane like Bellatrix, or were members of oppressed groups that still thought Voldemort would give them power.

5. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a group like the Death Eaters?

Their strengths are that, with the exception of the Carrows, they are all fairly competent wizards and witches. They have the ability instill fear and intimidation.

Their weaknesses are that very few of them have any real loyalty to Voldemort. This is due to a combination of their inherent self-preservationist natures, and to the kind of boss Voldemort is.


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1. What attracted them to Voldemort/Tom Riddle and/or his "cause"?

I think that, as with any ideology, people are attracted to it by different reasons. Some people are attracted to charismatic leaders, as I think was the case with Bella. In some other cases, as with Snape, people seek acceptance and a feeling of belonging, a group where they can feel important and necessary.

5. What are the strengths and weaknesses of a group like the Death Eaters?

I think their main strength is that they are "joined by mischief", in the sense that all of them know dirty secrets about the others, and that makes dropping out quite difficult. IMO they have many weaknesses, but one of the most important is that none of them ever gets the whole picture about Voldemort's plans, and that secretive nature ensues mistrust and, in the end, betrayal.


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From the Snape thread, some thoughts on who got Marked, how many got Marked, and what the Marked people did.

When Voldemort comes back in GoF, he mentions at least 15 DEs, fails to address an unknown number, and may have spoken to yet more. My impression was that Voldemort had approx. 30-40 DEs at any one time (killing off or recruiting would affect the number), and that these Marked people were the ones he sent off on missions. The so-called Inner Circle, as I see it, was an elite group of 5-10 DEs who, without holding any visible distinction within the ranks, were treated as more valuable by Voldemort.


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From the Snape thread, some thoughts on who got Marked, how many got Marked, and what the Marked people did.

When Voldemort comes back in GoF, he mentions at least 15 DEs, fails to address an unknown number, and may have spoken to yet more. My impression was that Voldemort had approx. 30-40 DEs at any one time (killing off or recruiting would affect the number), and that these Marked people were the ones he sent off on missions. The so-called Inner Circle, as I see it, was an elite group of 5-10 DEs who, without holding any visible distinction within the ranks, were treated as more valuable by Voldemort.
I think "Inner Circle" simply means a branded Death Eater. Voldemort had plenty of servants and minions who weren't branded - the Snatchers and Greyback for example.

I think the term "Inner Circle" was only used once, and that was before the term "Death Eaters" was first introduced in GoF. I feel it is similar to the term "Dementors" - in CoS, and the beginning of PoA, they were referred to as "the Azkaban guards". After their dramatic introduction, they are referred to by name, just as the Death Eaters are. The term "inner circle" is never used again, that I can recall, after the term "Death Eaters" is introduced.

Also, the term "inner circle" was used by one of the Weasley twins, in explaining about Lucius Malfoy's involvement with Voldemort. I very much doubt that Arthur Weasley would have any knowledge of Voldemort's ranks, official or unofficial. If there was no visible distinction, an ordinary wizard in an overlooked Ministry Department would have no way of knowing know about them, and his teenage son would have even less chance of knowing.

For that matter, I doubt Voldemort had any group of DEs he termed an inner circle, for the reasons I've just mentioned. Yes, some of them were more useful to him than others, but I think he knew how to play each of them. According to Dumbledore, in HBP, many of them were under the impression that he confided in them alone, or that they were the most important.


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