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While Lavender and Parvati are portrayed as the stereotypical shallow girls, I think that they did come to realise that this wasn't all about popularity. I think seeing what Umbridge was like opened a lot of students' eyes, along with the mass breakout. These things got them to question the official Ministry line.
I agree with this.

Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
Nah. I think its because Parvati and Lavender were really impressed with Trelawney's "talents" and were fangirls so to speak. Trelawney obviously liked the attention she was getting from those two so i think she was just a bit biased.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
I cant really think of much but her name is made of colors. Maybe Lavender was to mean she was feminine or something and Brown as in average? *shrug*

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
See the quoted bit from Furry Dice. I really dont think she was pressured at all. I think Parvati and Lavender both saw the real danger going on. Not only that, but Umbridge was stanching their chance to learn defensive measures.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I do agree with those who say Ron and Lavender were more or less using each other. Ron was using Lavender to get over his insecurities and to "man up" so to speak, and also make Hermione jealous. Lavender seemed to be using Ron as either a means to gain some sort of status, and/or because she was a bit lonely. She was definitely clingy so maybe she, too, had some insecurities to overcome. I do think she really liked Ron though but perhaps was a bit put out that he had interest in Hermione. Girls can be pretty mindboggling sometimes so i think this was a pretty realistic situation.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
No idea. I dont recall anything in canon regarding her background. She could have been half-blood but for some reason i dont think she was muggle born. She was never a target for the basilisk or any anti-muggle born comments or activity.


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Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?

Probably not. Trelawney liked the fact that Lavender and Parvati cared about her and therefore was probably only being nice to her.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?

Not really?

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?

It probably was due to peer pressure

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?

I don't think Ron broke her heart it was just a teenage romance.


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I don't think Lavender joined the DA just because of peer pressure. I mean, there were plenty of students who weren't involved in the DA & while her friends being involved may have played some part in her decision, I really think despite her girly side, Lavender genuinely wanted to help. Even after her & Ron's breakup, she fought with the DA in the final battle & got seriously injured (or maybe even killed, there has been some fuzziness here). I don't think that much dedication comes from just some teenage peer pressure, I think Lavender showed some true loyalty & valience.


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Well, here's the thing:
Outside of her mushy gooshy relationship win Won-Won, Lavender was pretty involved with the anti-Voldemort regime. She demonstrated this by joining the DA before Ron even came into the picture and remaining there to fight after he left. I think people call Lavender shallow without giving her enough credit for her loyalty.
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I mean, there were plenty of students who weren't involved in the DA & while her friends being involved may have played some part in her decision, I really think despite her girly side, Lavender genuinely wanted to help.
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Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
No way, as far as I see it. Trelawney probably just liked that someone took her seriously. It seems that Trelawney's moments of being a true seer come from her subconscious, and when she's thinking consciously is when she starts talking nonesense. Her spotting Lavender's talent was probably her talking this nonesense.

Does her name tell us anything about her character?
Lavender I suppose is quite a girly name, perhaps suggesting her somewhat airheaded, silly teenage girl persona.

In OotP Lavender believed the lies the Daily Prophet spread about Harry but, later on, she joined Dumbledore's Army. What were her motives? Did she change her mind or was it peer pressure?
I think she probably believed the stuff about Harry at first just to go with the crowd, it was the 'in' thing to believe. When everyone signed up to the DA, this could also have been a factor that she might have been a bit of a sheep. However, I think she and Parvati were beginning, like everyone else, to recognise the danger and take it seriously. I don't think there was peer-pressure at all.

In HBP Lavender gained in importance by becoming Ron's girlfriend. Despite her usual silliness she seemed to take their relationship seriously; she even interrogated Harry. Do you think Ron broke her heart? How will this affect her future interactions with the trio?
I wouldn't say that Lavender took her relationship particularly with Ron seriously. It was in no way a mature, adult relationship. He was probably one of her first boyfriends and as such she went over the top and got all excited about it. I imagine it wouldn't have taken her too long to get over him. It clearly wasn't love, just a pair of superficial teenage crushes and a lot of snogging. I wouldn't say Ron really broke her heart because I think neither of them saw it as a long-term relationship and it is perfectly normal to experience break ups like Ron and Lavender's in adolescence. In regards to the future, I don't imagine she'd interact with the trio very much. I don't think there would be any bad feelings, especially after the war all that would seem infantismal and silly. I think after the battle any interaction would be small and they would all be a lot more grown up. I don't think they'd stay in touch after Hogwarts at all.

We have conflicting information about Lavender's background. Is she a pure-blood, a half-blood or Muggle-born and was this or will this be of any importance?
I think it's pretty much irrelevant. I get the impression of Lavender being at least half-blood, just as someone said before due to the lack of any muggle-hate directed at her and it never being mentioned at all.


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Lavender's favourite subject is Divination. We know that Trelawney is a true Seer, although her inner eye is often clouded. Do you think that Trelawney was right when she claimed to see real a talent for Divination in Lavender?
No way, as far as I see it. Trelawney probably just liked that someone took her seriously. It seems that Trelawney's moments of being a true seer come from her subconscious, and when she's thinking consciously is when she starts talking nonesense. Her spotting Lavender's talent was probably her talking this nonesense.
I concur with your response. Given Trelawney's track record of accurate/inaccurate predictions, I think it is safe to say that she was happy to have someone like Lavendar to admire her work, and in turn, compliments Lavender as a reward. It was apparent that Trelawney lacked true divination abilities, aside from the few occurrences, due to her colleagues' (DD and McGonagall) skepticism throughout the books on the subject. As the old saying goes, "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while."


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Does Lavender Brown's name tell us anything about her character?

To me the name suggests her character wasn't intended to be taken too seriously. Other characters have names that have more obvious significance. Longbottom = great strength, Riddle = mystery, Moody = temperamental.

Lavender Brown sounds like a colour, but a peculiar one. Separately Lavender suggests femininity, and Brown earthy, or ordinary.

Her nickname 'Lav-Lav' was a mean. Lav is short for lavatory, washing place, i.e. toilet. There are all sorts of references to toilets in Harry Potter - Moaning Myrtle, the ministry, Fred & George, Dumbledore's version of the room of requirement.



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I believe Lavender was either half or pure blood because she was already at Hogwarts in DH when Harry, Ron, and Hermione arrived. If she was Muggleborn, she would either have been in hiding or been shipped to Azkaban (or worse).

In the battle Lavender was injured when Greyback came upon her. Greyback did mention he had a fondness for girls. Hermione casts a spell to get him away from Lavender.

I don't think that Lavender was interested in Ron for status because girls who wanted status went after Harry.


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Well, here's the thing:
Outside of her mushy gooshy relationship win Won-Won, Lavender was pretty involved with the anti-Voldemort regime. She demonstrated this by joining the DA before Ron even came into the picture and remaining there to fight after he left. I think people call Lavender shallow without giving her enough credit for her loyalty.
I do think Lavender gets too much hate. Even in PoA, before the students are really involved with fighting the Dark Arts, she is one of 5 or 6 students that stay outside to rope the skrewts in - she was definitely brave and helpful. In a way I resent that she became Ron's girlfriend because that sort of belittled her and made her out as a silly teenage girl, although JRK redeemed her by having her stay behind and risk her life in DH.

She might not have been an expert at relationships, but IMO she wasn't a brainless numpty. She represents the normal people - Harry, Ron and Hermione are all a bit extraordinary - who had to grow up and make choices that they could have easily walked away from. She stayed to fight and that says a lot about her.
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Does Lavender Brown's name tell us anything about her character?

To me the name suggests her character wasn't intended to be taken too seriously. Other characters have names that have more obvious significance. Longbottom = great strength, Riddle = mystery, Moody = temperamental.
Hmm, I always thought Lavender was going to become an important character because of her name, actually. She's named after a flower, like Lily; I thought she might become more significant. I agree with you about "Brown," though, it's very common and ordinary, which is another reason why I think Lavender was written in to represent the generic teenage girl.


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Did any character actually call Lavender "Lav Lav"? It was Harry who thought of Lav Lav as something he hoped Ron did not call Lavender, particularly after Lavender called Ron "Won Won."


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I never realized how disliked Lavender's character was. I never found anything wrong with her. She came across as normal to me and girly along with Parvati. I felt that her interest in Ron was genuine and I know most felt that Ron probably hooked up with her to get back at Hermione, but I felt that he hooked up with her because Lavender was actually showing the boy interest; Hermione wasn't.

She was obviously brave, because she always fought against Voldemort. I never really felt she was shallow either.

I did wonder if she survived the battle. Sure would be nice to know if she did specifically.


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I believe Lavender was either half or pure blood because she was already at Hogwarts in DH when Harry, Ron, and Hermione arrived. If she was Muggleborn, she would either have been in hiding or been shipped to Azkaban (or worse).
I used to think she was Muggleborn, because she didn't know about the Grim until Trelawney explained it in PoA. After DH, it seems more likely that she's a half-blood. If she is, her wizarding parent might not have wanted to worry their Muggle partner by talking of the Grim.

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I don't think that Lavender was interested in Ron for status because girls who wanted status went after Harry.
Perhaps she thought Ron was more accessible than Harry? Perhaps she considered Ron better-looking? And there is still that comment about Ron being "interesting" after he was poisoned.

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She might not have been an expert at relationships, but IMO she wasn't a brainless numpty. She represents the normal people - Harry, Ron and Hermione are all a bit extraordinary - who had to grow up and make choices that they could have easily walked away from. She stayed to fight and that says a lot about her.
I agree. Lavender and Parvati were really the ordinary teenage girls, just as Seamus and Dean were the ordinary teenage boys. They didn't have the big concerns of the Trio and Neville, until later on in the series. I agree that Lavender wasn't stupid, either. She wasn't as smart as Hermione, but then, few people are. Enjoying things like Divination and gossip don't mean that someone is stupid, not by a long shot, IMO.

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[font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]I never realized how disliked Lavender's character was. I never found anything wrong with her. She came across as normal to me and girly along with Parvati. I felt that her interest in Ron was genuine and I know most felt that Ron probably hooked up with her to get back at Hermione, but I felt that he hooked up with her because Lavender was actually showing the boy interest; Hermione wasn't.

She was obviously brave, because she always fought against Voldemort. I never really felt she was shallow either.

I did wonder if she survived the battle. Sure would be nice to know if she did specifically.
I think she was shallow, in some ways - her comment about Ron being "interesting" after being poisoned, for example. But I think she also had her heart in the right place - she stood up for what was right, she stayed in the Room of Requirement, to continue the fight against the Carrows, rather than trying to make a getaway via Aberforth's pub. I think Lavender was pretty much an ordinary teenage girl - she didn't have the same problems the trio faced - until things got really bad in OotP with Umbridge, and worse in DH with the Carrows, I think she was able to have a fairly normal time at school, and so her concerns were the usual ones. She had the concerns about the monster of Slytherin in CoS, but I think most of the school were concerned, in that situation.

I hope she did survive, perhaps Hermione got Greyback away for her soon enough for Lavender to survive? He wasn't transformed at the time, and Bill survived an attack from an untransformed Greyback. It's possible that she survived, but with scars and a liking for rare steak, like Bill.


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I think she was shallow, in some ways - her comment about Ron being "interesting" after being poisoned, for example.
Now this doesn't come across as shallow to me. To me this just comes across as her admiration growing for him. To me it's no different from when a boy (or girl) does something, and catches the attention of another girl (boy). You know, seeing the person in a new light and all that. I also thought that the comment was aimed at Hermione anyway, like how she was hanging around Ron again because of his being poisoned. In all honesty, though, I cannot recall when or where she mentioned this.

Either way, I don't see that as shallow, especially since she'd been showing interest in him way before that incident. I really do feel she genuinely liked him or had strong feelings for him because she took the break up so hard. If it was no big deal or just shallowness, especially with the time - and maybe effort - she put into the relationship, doesn't strike me as shallow.


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At first, I didn't like Lavender very much because like most people have expressed, she was "girly" and sometimes a bit immature but upon a re-read of the series several years later I thought, "Shes normal for her age!"

I definitely remember going through my Lavender Brown stage when I was her age but, like we see at the end in DH, shes a lot more grown up and in the face of adversity, her Gryffindor comes out.

I think what I had to realize was that just because you're a Gryffindor or a Slyterin or Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, it doesn't mean that you're not a normal human being who experiences typical life troubles. I think being a Gryffindor means that at your core, you are pure of heart, noble, brave and courageous but that doesn't mean you're not allowed to be your person with your own personality.

I think that Ron broke Lavender's heart and even though its sad that she possibly liked him more than he liked her, I quite enjoy that relationship because it keeps the characters realistic. As much as I love Hermione, I don't know many 11-16 year olds that are as clever, smart or dedicated as is. To me, Lavender is more of "real" teenage girl than Hermione or any other girl in the series.


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Lav-Lav has really grown on me in recent years. I'm sure if it's just because I loved Jessie Caves portrayal of her in the films, or because I've read the books too many times...

I never paid her much notice until HBP anyway, and I really need to look back during OotP cuz I have been reading things that say she was against Harry, and didn't believe him and I can not remember that at all...

But, I wanted to say one thing - I love that she stayed behind during the Battle of Hogwarts, and have seen some people have been surprised at that. But, she was a Gryffindor afterall, as far as I was aware, all those who were of age from Gryffindor stayed? Because that is in their nature...

Anyway... Just wanted to spread some Lav-Lav love...


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Yeah she was a normal girl who looked shallow because people judge her in relation to the trio which is not really fair on her.

That said I don't think she really liked Ron, no more than Ron liked her and I also think she had an inclination that Hermione did have feelings for Ron. In a way Ron-Lavender relationship was perhaps mutually benefiting. It was an example of how relationships should not be and I think both of them were better off with that experience.


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I think Lavender helped Ron realise how much he preferred Hermione. Hermione didn't throw herself at Ron. She treated him matter of fact and I think that Ron wanted someone to shower him with affection because he felt left out. But after awhile, he came to realise that he preferred someone to treat him as an equal and not shower him with attention.


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I never paid her much notice until HBP anyway, and I really need to look back during OotP cuz I have been reading things that say she was against Harry, and didn't believe him and I can not remember that at all...
Just at the start of the year. I think she was either asking Hermione for details, or questioning the story Dumbledore and Harry had told. However, she joined the DA from the beginning.

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But, I wanted to say one thing - I love that she stayed behind during the Battle of Hogwarts, and have seen some people have been surprised at that. But, she was a Gryffindor afterall, as far as I was aware, all those who were of age from Gryffindor stayed? Because that is in their nature...
I didn't think it was that surprising, knowing that Lavender had been part of the second DA which rebelled against the Carrows, risking their own safety.

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Yeah she was a normal girl who looked shallow because people judge her in relation to the trio which is not really fair on her.
I think that's a good point. The trio had to deal with a lot, which forced them to grow up quickly. Whereas Lavender was just like a normal teenager, experimenting with her looks, fancying boys, just like teenagers do. She's a little immature, but then, she was sixteen when she was dating Ron. Some people are immature at sixteen. Hey, some people are immature at sixty.

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That said I don't think she really liked Ron, no more than Ron liked her and I also think she had an inclination that Hermione did have feelings for Ron. In a way Ron-Lavender relationship was perhaps mutually benefiting. It was an example of how relationships should not be and I think both of them were better off with that experience.
I agree. I think both of them learned what they did not want in a relationship. Which is something a lot of people learn from teenage relationships. Learning what you do not want is just as important as learning what you do want. And I think what Lavender learned was an important lesson to learn, just as what Ron learned was important; Lavender learned not to settle for being second best - not to date someone for whom she was the second choice.

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I think Lavender helped Ron realise how much he preferred Hermione. Hermione didn't throw herself at Ron. She treated him matter of fact and I think that Ron wanted someone to shower him with affection because he felt left out. But after awhile, he came to realise that he preferred someone to treat him as an equal and not shower him with attention.
I think Ron threw himself at Lavender, too. I think they both threw themselves into that relationship, for the wrong reasons. But I think they both learned from it.


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