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Well frankly I wouldn't generally consider anything that's not at least 30 years old as classic to begin with, but in the context of 80's films there is really no denying that Top Gun, Dirty Dancing, Indiana Jones, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Caddyshack, Footloose, The Princess Bride, Field of Dreams, Airplane, The Breakfast Club, Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Terminator, Star Wars, ET, Back to the Future, etc...well those are "80's classics". Blade Runner and Aliens? meh among hardcore cinephiles I suppose. Certainly not me though
The definition of "classic" that makes the most sense to me is a piece of art that's around 30 years old - so I agree with you there - of a high quality (so that's subjective), and has proven to have a real staying power. Top Gun is 25 years old, and I personally really enjoy it as silly entertainment, but don't put it up there with Raiders of the Lost Ark or Die Hard or Lethal Weapon. It has, however, shown that third ingredient: staying power. Most people who love Top Gun don't just love it for the nostalgia of it, or as camp, it still has that certain something. Now, whether it deserves that staying power is, again, subjective. Blade Runner and Aliens don't do much for you (I'm shocked to hear that about Aliens, by the way), but for most people, those deserve to be in the same conversation as Back to the Future and Top Gun.

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cinephiles (though I think most others just won't admit to liking this stuff)
I think for most cinephiles, it's not so much that as it is a kind of pretentiousness that precludes accepting movies that are "just" entertaining as great. A lot of serious film fans need to qualify those movies - "great for what it is," "great kids' movie," "great action movie" - and so on. And yet, these are people who are usually smart enough to recognize that what you're supposed to do is look at a film, see what it's out to do, and evaluate it based on that - not hold every single film to one standard of greatness. I personally don't feel like Top Gun is great, but if you think it's a great action movie, you think it's a great movie, period.

As for a sequel...Every few years, I'll read something about it being "in the works," "in the early stages of development," what have you, and I'll believe it when I see it. I will also continue to roll my eyes in cynicism about it, and same for a remake, because, even though I don't have an attachment to the movie beyond liking it in its cheesy '80s action movie way, it's so unnecessary. It doesn't ruin anything, because there's no emotional story to wreck with a sequel, but I also don't feel any desire to see any additional adventures in any of the characters' lives. If it's a different set of characters in the same circumstances, then that's not so much a sequel as a rehash; there are plenty of those, and I'm indifferent to just about all of them.


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Most people who love Top Gun don't just love it for the nostalgia of it, or as camp, it still has that certain something.
Yes, and it's not something I can really put my finger on. I mean I've probably seen Top Gun more then any other film. Hell, there was a time a few years ago where I was severely depressed and seriously I just stayed in my room for like a week watching it on repeat. I don't know, I guess it is the go to "feel good" movie for me (despite the death of Goose) for whatever reason, like it is just a really fun film with great action, romance, drama, comedy...and amazing soundtrack! I could watch it every day. BTW fun fact, it got 4 Oscar nominations.


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Blade Runner and Aliens? meh among hardcore cinephiles I suppose.
No just people who like intelligent films and I'd count Ferris Bueller, Indy and BttF as intelligent films.

Top Gun was a diverting piece of light-weight filmmaking.


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...and I'd count Ferris Bueller, Indy and BttF as intelligent films.
You realize this statement pretty much invalidates everything else in your post, right?


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You realize this statement pretty much invalidates everything else in your post, right?
A conversation on why those aren't intelligent films could and should follow that, but we shouldn't, as it'd be off-topic.


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A conversation on why those aren't intelligent films could and should follow that...
Yes, well I love both Indy and Ferris Bueller but they are hardly intelligent films. Even within the lists of films considered the greatest of all time I would say not many of them are "intelligent"...but that's perfectly ok, cause as I said film should be about providing entertainment. Let me make it clear though that this doesn't mean Hollywood should just crank out Michael Bay sort of films (though I do enjoy his stuff). I mean entertainment value for many can be found in the acting, the story/script, etc. It does not just have to be like visual spectacle see.

I think my favorites are quite an eclectic mix (there's intelligent fare, gripping dramas, mindless entertainment, emotionally inducing, etc)

But to bring this back to Top Gun I would NOT put it under the mindless entertainment classification...I believe it has more value then that, which some fail to see. And frankly just as I'd say few are truly "intelligent" films (ie Donnie Darko) I think most aren't just mindless either. I think with most films the director has some intent for how he wants the audience to feel, a message in mind he's trying to get across, etc


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You realize this statement pretty much invalidates everything else in your post, right?
How?

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Yes, well I love both Indy and Ferris Bueller but they are hardly intelligent films.
They are intelligent films in that they have a story (as opposed to a string of cliched set-pieces), reasonably intelligent dialogue and characters as opposed to cyphers.

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But to bring this back to Top Gun I would NOT put it under the mindless entertainment classification...I believe it has more value then that, which some fail to see.
Perhaps you could enlighten us.


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Blade Runner and Aliens? meh among hardcore cinephiles I suppose.
Those two fab films get a 'meh'? Blade Runner is one of Ridley Scott's greatest films and Aliens is, IMO, the best thing James Cameron ever did! Although I do love T2 almost as much.

All the other films you listed are certainly 80s classics: all of them have something quirky and original about them -- heck, even Dirty Dancing does, as does the corny but endearing Footloose. Top Gun by comparison was just extremely cliched, IMO.

I agree with Wab on the intelligence of Back to the Future, Ferris Bueller and yes, Indy Jones as well.


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Top Gun was a diverting piece of light-weight filmmaking.
Agreed; except for all the footage by the real pilots used in the film. That, along with excellent editing, makes the film, wouldn't you say?


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Like I said, diverting and lightweight. The flight sequences are good but they are eye candy which don't give the film substance.


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No substance? It hits on multiple cylinders actually...

Top Gun has something for everyone; entertaining action sequences, witty banter, top notch buddy chemistry (Goose and Maverick), a gut wrenching emotional scene (which has been noticed on some lists of the saddest movie scenes of all time), arguably the best PG-13 love scene you'll ever see, etc. And oh yeah, it showcases some great technical work, an amazing soundtrack, and was somewhat of an innovation in the movie industry...

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With a hot, charismatic lead, a near perfect supporting cast, and a good enough balance of both spectacle and substance, Top Gun achieved top flight status as a box-office blast, ground-breaking in the soon-to-be commonplace (but certainly not cost-effective) action genre.
Now sure it's not like some hardcore drama, but for what it was trying to be it's one of the finest. Unfortunately some don't seem to realize this and appreciate the best of what Ridley Scott's brother has had to offer because I see his most recent film Unstoppable (which was another excellent feature) is sitting at only 6.8 on IMDB. Granted Tony Scott has made some pretty big duds in his career, but Top Gun and Unstoppable should not be counted amongst 'em.


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No substance? It hits on multiple cylinders actually...

Top Gun has something for everyone; entertaining action sequences, witty banter, top notch buddy chemistry (Goose and Maverick), a gut wrenching emotional scene (which has been noticed on some lists of the saddest movie scenes of all time), arguably the best PG-13 love scene you'll ever see, etc. And oh yeah, it showcases some great technical work, an amazing sound track, and was somewhat of an innovation in the movie industry...
I suppose if you like cliches and cardboard characters I suppose it would appear to have depth.


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I suppose if you like cliches and cardboard characters I suppose it would appear to have depth.
Depth? I never said anything about depth, just that it entertains and succeeds on many levels Anyways, you're overlooking the fact that we agree on the topic at hand...we are both opposed to the idea of a sequel, so that's that.

I really have nothing more to say in trying to defend one of my favorite films (and it's pop culture status says enough really) which just so happens to be one of the rare films in my Top 100 didn't receive "fresh" consensus from critics.

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Rear Window 1954 Alfred Hitchcock
Raiders of the Lost Ark 1981 Steven Spielberg
Forrest Gump 1994 Robert Zemeckis
Saving Private Ryan 1998 Steven Spielberg
Top Gun 1986 Tony Scott
Memento 2000 Christopher Nolan
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2003 Peter Jackson
Inception 2010 Christopher Nolan
Airplane! 1980 Jim Abrahams, David Zucker, Jerry Zucker
The Bourne Ultimatum 2007 Paul Greengrass
It Happened One Night 1934 Frank Capra
Field of Dreams 1989 Phil Alden Robinson
Gladiator 2000 Ridley Scott
American Pie 1999 Paul Weitz
Caddyshack 1980 Harold Ramis
The Lady Eve 1941 Preston Sturges
Arsenic and Old Lace 1944 Frank Capra
Some Like It Hot 1959 Billy Wilder
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 2011 David Yates
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 2009 David Yates
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 2010 David Yates
Wedding Crashers 2005 David Dobkin
True Grit 2010 Ethan & Joel Coen
The Graduate 1967 Mike Nichols
Old School 2003 Todd Phillips
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 2001 Chris Columbus
Strangers on a Train 1951 Alfred Hitchcock
Psycho 1960 Alfred Hitchcock
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl 2003 Gore Verbinski
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2001 Peter Jackson
Animal House 1978 John Landis
Love Actually 2003 Richard Curtis
Raging Bull 1980 Martin Scorsese
My Cousin Vinny 1992 Jonathan Lynn
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 1975 Milos Forman
To Kill a Mockingbird 1962 Robert Mulligan
Good Will Hunting 1997 Gus Van Sant
Vertigo 1958 Alfred Hitchcock
Rain Man 1988 Barry Levinson
The Lion King 1994 Roger Allers, Rob Minkoff
Meet the Parents 2000 Jay Roach
Happy Gilmore 1996 Dennis Dugan
The Bourne Identity 2002 Doug Liman
North by Northwest 1959 Alfred Hitchcock
A Few Good Men 1992 Rob Reiner
Touch of Evil 1958 Orson Welles
National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation 1989 Jeremiah S. Chechik
The Game 1997 David Fincher
Shadow of a Doubt 1943 Alfred Hitchcock
Children of Men 2006 Alfonso Cuarón
(500) Days of Summer 2009 Marc Webb
V for Vendetta 2005 James McTeigue
Knocked Up 2007 Judd Apatow
Anatomy of a Murder 1959 Otto Preminger
Foreign Correspondent 1940 Alfred Hitchcock
Donnie Darko 2001 Richard Kelly
The Princess Bride 1987 Rob Reiner
Bull Durham 1988 Ron Shelton
Remember the Titans 2000 Boaz Yakin
Secondhand Lions 2003 Tim McCanlies
The Girl Next Door 2004 Luke Greenfield
The Dark Knight 2008 Christopher Nolan
It's a Wonderful Life 1946 Frank Capra
In the Line of Fire 1993 Wolfgang Petersen
The Pride of the Yankees 1942 Sam Wood
Zodiac 2007 David Fincher
Iron Man 2008 Jon Favreau
A Beautiful Mind 2001 Ron Howard
Shutter Island 2010 Martin Scorsese
Star Trek 2009 J.J. Abrams
National Lampoon's Vacation 1983 Harold Ramis
Road Trip 2000 Todd Phillips
The Prestige 2006 Christopher Nolan
Up in the Air 2009 Jason Reitman
P.S. I Love You 2007 Richard LaGravenese
A League of Their Own 1992 Penny Marshall
The Apartment 1960 Billy Wilder
American Beauty 1999 Sam Mendes
The Town 2010 Ben Affleck
Basic Instinct 1992 Paul Verhoeven
Jurassic Park 1993 Steven Spielberg
Juno 2007 Jason Reitman
Across the Universe 2007 Julie Taymor
Friday Night Lights 2004 Peter Berg
The Matrix 1999 Andy & Larry Wachowski
Dodgeball 2004 Rawson Marshall Thurber
The Professional 1994 Luc Besson
L.A. Confidential 1997 Curtis Hanson
West Side Story 1961 Jerome Robbins, Robert Wise
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade 1989 Steven Spielberg
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers 2002 Peter Jackson
Spellbound 1945 Alfred Hitchcock
Casablanca 1942 Michael Curtiz
American Pie 2 2001 J.B. Rogers
Dirty Dancing 1987 Emile Ardolino
Munich 2005 Steven Spielberg
A Walk to Remember 2002 Adam Shankman
Casino Royale 2006 Martin Campbell
Blood Diamond 2006 Edward Zwick
Hot Fuzz 2007 Edgar Wright
As you can see I've got quite eclectic tastes, with my favorites spanning almost all decades and genres. One doesn't have to like just high brow fare for instance, though lol most of my friends actually consider me to be quite the film snob since I rarely watch something that didn't receive a fresh consensus on RT and/or at least a 6.0 rating on IMDB.


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