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I liked most of Dumbledore's notes, but there were a couple times it bothered me; like the whole "especially clever wizards (like myself)" comments. It seemed overly boastful of him. He said things like that in private, but I can't see him taking note of it in a book. My daughter said it sounded more like Gilderoy Lockhart, and I had to agree.
Although I understand where you're coming from, I think that Dumbledore was not being arrogant as much as stating a fact. The fact is, Albus Dumbledore had been the most brilliant wizard in the world for years, admired by the entire magical community, with accolades and awards in droves, and acknowledged even by dark wizards as a force to be feared and avoided lest he defeat/destroy them. To pretend to be anything other than a magical genius and super-wizard would, in fact, be false modesty. I think that Dumbledore wasn't trying to boast as much as he was acknowledging that his reader would likely count Dumbledore as one of those especially clever wizards.


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I finally read them. They are cute stories written in a classic style: they are to the standards what Oasis is to the Beatles! ;-)

What I found truly amusing was how Rowling used Dumbledore exactly as she uses him in the series. In each of the first five books, Dumbledore gives a little speech at the end, which basically says: "Just in case you missed it, you just read a story about X." In Prince, he gives the speech about 2/3rds of the way through, and in Hallows he gives it right before the finale.

So, what does Rowling do here? She provides a short essay by Dumbledore that tells us, among other things, exactly what the story is! Moreover, Dumbledore even goes into the themes. What is sort of cool and instructive is that we see how just small tweakings of the tale result in the same story but with radically different themes. That is to say, what to do about "evil" remains unchanged: but what "evil" is certainly is different!

All in all, a very esoteric and abstract bit of humor here. I always liked Dumbledore: greatness should always be appreciated, whether real or fictional. This made me chuckle all the more.

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Ok, I LOVED these notes ..... everything about them.


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I just got this book yesterday, and I must say Dumbledore's notes were the best part of the book. I loved reading everything that was in them.

I have noticed, like people have said, that JK Rowling writes these as if she is the "God" in the Harry Potter world. But she also gives credits to her characters and makes you believe that they were the ones who helped with the book. That was just really cool.

Over all, really, it reminded me of the other books JK Rowling wrote for charity. The two school books. The Book of Monsters was mentioned in Dumbledore's notes more than once, and he is basically telling you to read that book to understand more of what he has said.


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Over all, really, it reminded me of the other books JK Rowling wrote for charity. The two school books. The Book of Monsters was mentioned in Dumbledore's notes more than once, and he is basically telling you to read that book to understand more of what he has said.
I am so happy that I have Fantastic Beasts (I don't have Quidditch Through the Ages) - I could flick through that when needed for deeper understanding


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Did anyone else think that Dumbledore didn't quite sound like himself in Beedle?
I mean, every character has their own way of speaking, and phrasing, their very own vocabulary; JKR excels at this. In HP, Dumbledore was always a very strong and unique character in this regard. I just thought he didn't quite sound like himself in Beedle. The commentary was a great idea, though.


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My favorite commentary was the discription of the pantomime attempt. I had wondered why there was a Charms Club but no drama...and I was glad to learn of WADA, it means I have a place within the Wizarding World. The Dumbeldore-Malfoy correspondence I also enjoyed. Although, as the good Professor said, Lucius' responses had little relevance to the tales, I could have done with more of that.

Humor aside, I greatly enjoyed the snippets of wizarding history...although I think it's time for a bit more than snippets, JK! Maybe I should write historical fanfiction. Is this a sign of obsession, do you think?

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Contrary to what you might think, many European rulers (despite their religious beliefs) employed astrologers and magic-makers (so-called) of many kinds in official positions in their courts, where they acted as advisors (Elizabeth I being a notable example, but then she was rumored to be a witch herself. Still, it was a common practice in all but the most strictly religous courts.) Plus, witch-hunting was still in its infancy in England in 1492. Witch-hunting didn't start to be a European enthusiasm until the early 1400s and it spread slowly. England didn't really get going on it until the 1500s, and the English didn't hunt witches with as much enthusiasm as other nationalities. Which, I suppose, would be one reason that Lisette de Lapin fled from France to England. And then made everyone think that Henry VI was insane. But maybe he didn't know that she wasn't really a talking white rabbit. He was, after all, unusually pious...

This is why I love JKR's writing: it's so rich and contains so many in-jokes that I can babble on and read far too much into her work. The Potterverse is a good place to be.


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Did anyone else think that Dumbledore didn't quite sound like himself in Beedle?
I mean, every character has their own way of speaking, and phrasing, their very own vocabulary; JKR excels at this. In HP, Dumbledore was always a very strong and unique character in this regard. I just thought he didn't quite sound like himself in Beedle. The commentary was a great idea, though.
I think that there were parts of the commentary that were a little too self congratulatory from the Dumbledore that we know from the series. Even in private moments and in a book of private notes that he thought would not be seen I have trouble accepting Dumbledore is how he's presented in parts.

All in all though, I just take it as it is, I thought they were a wonderful touch and it made the book for me.


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I really loved Dumbledore's commentaries. In general, they were great at illuminating some things that readers may not have known before, such as the definition of "warlock". I loved his correspondences with Lucius Malfoy, as well as his interpretations of what Beedle was trying to say in each tale. The story of the Christmas pantomime of The Fountain of Fair Fortune was excellent, as was the insight into Professor Kettleburn. It was funny to see how reckless he was, and that Dumbledore thought he had mellowed out only because he didn't have very many limbs left and was forced to take things slowly.
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I think that there were parts of the commentary that were a little too self congratulatory from the Dumbledore that we know from the series.
Yeah, I kind of felt that way too at some parts, even though he was stating the truth. And he is pretty self-depreciating at the end of his commentary of The Tale of the Three Brothers.


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I liked most of Dumbledore's notes, but there were a couple times it bothered me; like the whole "especially clever wizards (like myself)" comments. It seemed overly boastful of him. He said things like that in private, but I can't see him taking note of it in a book. My daughter said it sounded more like Gilderoy Lockhart, and I had to agree.
I thought it was very in character of Dumbledore, though. He makes arrogant remarks about himself in HBP and OotP, saying things like that wizards of great intelligence are prone to make even larger mistakes. At heart I think he was disgusted with who he was, but he prided himself in his intelligence, which is shown in the series and in Beedle.


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liked most of Dumbledore's notes, but there were a couple times it bothered me; like the whole "especially clever wizards (like myself)" comments. It seemed overly boastful of him. He said things like that in private, but I can't see him taking note of it in a book. My daughter said it sounded more like Gilderoy Lockhart, and I had to agree.
I took that as Dumbledore being tongue-in-cheek. While yes, Dumbledore is intelligent and I'm sure he knows that I think he was just having a bit of fun there.

Dumbledore's notes made the book for me. While the tales themselves are interesting, I wouldn't have bought them if they didn't have Dumbledore's insights on them.


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It made me want that encyclopedia a whole lot more, thats for sure
ME TOO!

I did find several very interesting things in the commentary and footnotes:

- Where the Malfoy's hate for muggles really started.
- Another wizarding school does exist! (besides Hogwarts, Beauxbatons, and Durmstrang) (W.A.D.A. Wizarding Academy of Dramatic Arts)
- Hector Dagworth-Granger! Maybe Hermione isn't totally descended from Muggles after all!
- The true meaning of Warlock.
- What Necromacy and Inferi means (though, I had a general idea).
- The wood of your wand determines your compatibility level with another.
- Also, In Dumbledore's commentary, he mentions Aberforth's favorite Beedle story was "Grumble the Grubby Goat". Why isn't that story in the book?


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- Hector Dagworth-Granger! Maybe Hermione isn't totally descended from Muggles after all!
Athough in HBP, Slughorn asks Hermione about that, and she replies she's muggle born, so she doesn't think so. Knowing Hermione, she probably researched it.


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- Also, In Dumbledore's commentary, he mentions Aberforth's favorite Beedle story was "Grumble the Grubby Goat". Why isn't that story in the book?
Did he actually say that it was a Beedle story? I just thought that Dumbledore said that Aberforth always wanted his parents to read "Grumble the Grubby Goat". I don't think that he said that it was a Beedle story, though.


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Darco was transfigured so he did not retain human awarness while being bounced about. That's what Jo says and nothing in GoF shows he did.
I think that when he was refigured (or untransfigured) by McGonagall he did remember what had been done to him while he was a ferret, but we don't know that either. Harry is never transfigured so we don't get an inside view what it is like and no one ever tells him (or us) how it is.
We don't know what kind of magic Slughorn used, as far as I remember no Human/Inanimate object Transfiguration is ever mentioned or taught at Hogwarts. Maybe that was a strong Illusionment Charm or Slughorn used a potion, anyway the comment in BtB was only about Human/Animal Transfiguration. What ever it was I agree it was something Slughorn could have undone without help when ever he wanted, in fact he did undo it when he realized Dumbledore had discovered the disguise.
But Jo now squashed that theory. Transformation is not a form of Transfiguration, it's a different kind of magic which doesn't require a wand, or Sirius couln't have used it while in Azkaban (I'm sure they didn't leave him his wand) and Wormtail, as you say, couldn't have used it at the end of PoA.
I'm sure he had a wand on him, but wasn't fool enough to fight Sirius and Remus. And I never saw anyone saying he was transfigured and stuck.
Draco was not transformed (that's the Animagus magic ), he was transfigured and Jo said that no wizard could have transfigured himself back once he was an animal, as far as we know the clothes and anything in the pockets are included in both changes (Transfiguration and (Animagus-)Transformation) and it doesn't matter if that includes a wand since the Animagus can turn back without it and the transfigured animal isn't able to use the wand.
I agree. You've made some very good points here. Even without Dumbledore's commentary in Beedle, that was how I saw it based on how it was described in the books.

This was discussed in GOF to some extent when Harry was preparing for the tournament and commented on Moody turning Malfoy into a ferret. Human transfiguration was divided into two distinctly different types in the books. The first being spells you could do on yourself and then undo. This is what we see with Slughorn transfiguring himself into a chair and it also applies to the animagus transformation. The second being spells that others did to you, which you could not undo. Essentially, this is no different than any other curse. Harry could not free himself from the body bind that Malfoy placed on him in HBP - Tonks showed up and did the countercurse for him. Malfoy could not change himself back to human form when Moody transfigured him into a ferret - McGonagall came along and did the countercurse for him. The basic tenent would appear to be what you do to yourself you can then undo - what others do to you must be undone by someone else.

The animagus transformation was classified as an element of transfiguration, but it was distinct in that they did not need a wand to accomplish it - which would also go towards why it was such a complicated and difficult area of magic to master. But that also makes some sense when you consider that you are channeling your magic into yourself rather than channeling it through your wand to someone or something else. Since the magic comes from inside you to begin with, it makes sense that you would not need a wand to do this type of spell on yourself.

And we see that with Sirius and Pettigrew. Sirius did not have a wand all those years he was in Azkaban - or when he first escaped - but he was able to transform into a dog so the dementors didn't effect him as badly. Pettigrew did not have a wand in POA when they forced him to reveal himself. I'd have to double check the books to see if it's mentioned, but it seems most likely that he left his wand in that alley along with the bit of finger he cut off as "proof" that he had died. But we know he didn't have one that night in POA - he grabbed Lupin's wand to attack Ron and left it there after he transformed. He did apparently have Voldemort's wand hidden somewhere and he used that until Voldemort returned to his own body, but Ollivander revealed that he had been forced to make a new wand for Pettigrew when he was captured. So, from the time he faked his death up until HBP, Pettigrew did not have a wand of his own.

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Athough in HBP, Slughorn asks Hermione about that, and she replies she's muggle born, so she doesn't think so. Knowing Hermione, she probably researched it.
That does raise some interesting questions though. According to Jo, all muggleborns would have a witch or wizard somewhere in their family tree. So it's quite possible that Hermione was related to Hector Dagworth-Granger and simply wasn't aware of it.

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Did he actually say that it was a Beedle story? I just thought that Dumbledore said that Aberforth always wanted his parents to read "Grumble the Grubby Goat". I don't think that he said that it was a Beedle story, though.
I'm pretty sure he didn't include that as a story written by Beedle. It was probably written by someone else.


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Dumbledore's notes are my favourite part of the book, they also make me miss the book hugely and also really, really, really, really hope she does make the encyclopedia. Can you imagine all the interesting information J.K will include in that.


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Dumbledore's notes are my favourite part of the book, they also make me miss the book hugely and also really, really, really, really hope she does make the encyclopedia. Can you imagine all the interesting information J.K will include in that.
I agree - I only just read the tales recently and they made me miss the books so much, and reading Dumbledores notes made me miss him even more!!

I really hope JKR does the Encyclopedia as well, it would be so fascinating!


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I agree - I only just read the tales recently and they made me miss the books so much, and reading Dumbledores notes made me miss him even more!!

I really hope JKR does the Encyclopedia as well, it would be so fascinating!
I know, some people think i'm a nutter when i want to know more about a fictional world but it would be so interesting and would keep the series alive with more knowledge for people to discuss and debate about.


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I know, some people think i'm a nutter when i want to know more about a fictional world but it would be so interesting and would keep the series alive with more knowledge for people to discuss and debate about.
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Exactly!! We should do a petition
Hell yeah, great idea. Although maybe J.K deserves some time off from writing.


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