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View Poll Results: What did you think of the movie?
A – Fantastic Adaptation. I loved everything about this movie. 36 15.52%
B – Very Good Adaptation. I enjoyed the movie. A few minor issues but no big deal. 89 38.36%
C – A Good Adaptation. I was entertained. Some room for improvement but overall it was fine. 48 20.69%
D – Viewable Adaptation. There are lots I would have done differently though. 24 10.34%
E – Below Average Adaptation. It needed improvements throughout, unfortunately. 23 9.91%
F - Awful Adaptation. I found the film almost intolerable. There is a great deal wrong with HBP 12 5.17%
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Old September 1st, 2009, 4:33 pm
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3. The editing was a bit choppy in some scenes, especially towards the end of the film. As I have previously said, during the Burrow attack, we see Ginny kneel over to retrieve her wand from the water after Harry throws his spell at Greyback, and yet we never saw her drop it, and, towards the end of the film, either Mark Day or David Yates unnecessarily cuts between nearly the same shots of Harry reacting to things on several occasions. For example, after the Inferius grabs Harry's arm while he is attempting to scoop up the water with the shell, we see Harry draw backwards from the lake, and then we see about five almost identical shots of Harry's face as he reacts to what has occurred. Why could they have not simply used a single long take that shows all of this? Similar things happen on the Astronomy Tower and during the Flight of the Prince scene.
I'm glad I am not the only one who hated the editing in the cave. When it comes to the editing on the Atronomy Tower I didn't see this problem occur again. I liked the editing during the "Flight of the Prince scene althought the scene was short. That's the writer/director's fault, not the editor. He made it flow well with clips of an angry Harry, an insane Bellatrix, a determined Snape and a scared Draco.



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Edit: By the way, using parts of tracks different times throughout the film is usually an indicator that it is a theme.
Not many decent composers chop up their own tracks and place little snippets of them throughout their score. They take key themes, and layer it into the score, with different instruments and arrangements. Double Trouble was used very frequently in POA, as a song with lyrics, as a few notes on the harpsichord, as some subtle notes on a harp. Williams did not simply take the opening 5 seconds of the song from the feast and lump it into the score totally unchanged. HBP's score is just lazy. There is no reason why the exact same track from the Drink of Despair sequence needed to be used twice. Certainly the tone of the piece was appropriate for both scenes, but that does not excuse it's use. I don't see much point in defending such a lack of creativity.

Anyway I agree that the Quidditch music for HBP was excellent, it was a good twist on the POA theme and had a great energy, if only Hooper had given the rest of the score the same treatment.


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My main gripes with the movie were:

- The Horcruxes weren't discussed or explained enough and there needed to be one additional memory of Voldemort's. I also felt a proper explanation of the prophecy, like in the book, should've come in these discussions.

- Harry/Ginny wasn't done appropriately for me. In the book it feels like these two are physically pulled together but in the movie it's more like Ginny being lecherous.

- Harry's positioning at DD's death; deviations are a part of movie adaptations, they're required in many cases and the three main cases are where the original scene is either: too costly to follow, too long or is simply cut. With DD's death scene Harry standing underneath had no reason that filled those criteria. They didn't save any time or much budget from this deviation from the book, and if anything it required more time because of the brief exchange with Snape - it was essentially pointless. The only possible thing I can think of is that somehow it'll be relevant to a scene in the DH movie.

- I would've liked to see SOME hint of a battle in Hogwarts at the end, they needn't have even shown it that much (since we miss most of it in the book's narration anyway) but at least shown the wake of it while Harry legs it through after Snape.

I didn't mind the Burrow Scene because even though it was irrelevant in a story context it was necessary in a cinema context - movie fans aren't the same as people who read books, they're used to be visually entertained almost constantly and the medium itself is considerably shorter with books taking days to read yet a movie being over in a couple of hours; this means an action scene near the middle of the book was needed and the Burrow Scene filled this slot.
I agree with your gripes here. I think that during the entire book DD was teaching Harry about the Horcruxes, getting to know Tom better and then showing Harry what Tom was capable of. To leave out this entire story line is bizarre. What is supposed to happen at the beginning of the next film. Is Harry supposed to figure this all out himself? Or is Herminone going to go and do the research over the summer, because they don't go back to school and she I don't see information on the Horcruxes being found in the local library.

I still don't like the burrow scene. The main reason that Harry and Ginny are stuck in the middle of a swamp fighting off 2 strong wizards. Are we supposed to believe that they're now equally matched to the adults?


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I voted B.

First of all I don't get why some fans complain about the romance/comedy of the film. Well yes there are lots of funny scenes but IMO the darkness was overwhelming. The sets, the lighting, the atmosphere and the cinematography...everything was extremely dark. The mood was gritty and ominous and I really loved that. My biggest complain is the lack of music. I just don't get that. They had a truly great soundtrack and they did not use it properly. Anyway, that's my only complaint.
I loved the beginning of the film. The Atrium flashback and the Death Eaters attack are probably two of the best scenes in the film. My personal favourite scene is Spinner's End. It's just perfect. Rickman, Carter and McCrory together. The rainy landscape was spectacular and the Vow scene was intense and chilling. I got the same dark and serious feel from the Train scene with Draco and the Gates and Dumbledore's Speech scenes that come next. With the exception of Luna's scenes and Ron eating, everything else had a very dark atmosphere that made this film feel so so different. In a positive way, of course.
Next I must mention that all Slughorn scenes were lovely. And extremely entertaining. Aragog's burial, the Slug Parties, the Potions lesson, the armchair scene and the Three Broomsticks scenes were brilliant. At the same time, the serious Pensieve Memories with Tom Riddle and the confession about Francis in Hagrid's Cabin were some of the most powerful moments in the series.
And Dumbledore's scenes. Oh boy. The lessons were amazing. Not to mention the spectacular Astronomy Tower-Cave-Dumbledore's Death sequences where Gambon nailed it. And Rickman's Snape was once again top-notch.
Another personal favourite scene is the Astronomy Tower Death scene. From the dark atmosphere during the invasion of the Death Eaters to Harry and Dumbledore's return to Draco's breakdown, Bella's taunting and mysterious aura to the final minutes with Snape shushing Harry and killing Dumbledore, I was amazed. It's a direct scene. No time to spend. 6 minutes of tension, twists and emotions. And it was brilliantly made, IMO.
The same goes with the Cave. This scene was almost 10 minutes long and it was masterpiece. From the mind-blowing special effects to the emotional breakdown and 'possession' of Dumbledore, I was shocked by its beauty. And the Inferi fight was chilling.
Now, about the romance and the comedy parts? Well they were entertaining and funny to watch. Quidditch was a great comeback, Lavender was extremely well-cast, Ron was f'cking hilarious and the romance with Ginny was awkward and sweet as it had to be. I found the romantic and funny stuff a bit overwhelming at times but overall they didn't overshadow the darkness of the Draco & Dumbledore scenes.
And about Tom Felton. Oh he was f'cking brilliant. The Sectumsempra and Dumbledore's Death scenes are beautiful to watch.
And about the omission of the skirmish at the end of the film. I don't think that seeing few people shooting spells in a corridor for less than a minute would be climactic. Actually it may have hurt the real climax of the film which was Snape killing Dumbledore. We can only guess about it but I was fine with the change.

All in all, probably the best film of the series. Excellent art direction, cinematography, acting and special effects. Lack of music in many parts and few plotholes in the story but these are my main problems. Romance is a bit too much in few moments but all in all it doesn't overshadow the darkness. The climax is not as action-packed as OotP's one but it's more action-packed than the ones in the first 4 films and yet it focuses on the emotional side of the film, Draco's mission and his final choice, Snape's double agent twist, Dumbledore's breakdown and death and Harry's desperation for the future journey that he has to fulfill.


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Can you prove this?
As I said before, look at POA's score. It uses several themes throughout the film, but does not simply regurgitate tracks from the first half of the movie or previous films. Nor did GOF or OOTP. Of course there are films that have done this, COS did it, Attack of the Clones did it (this is by far the most shameful example IMO) and they deserves criticism. An original score should be just that, and this one isn't. Look at Quantum of Solace. It takes the Vesper theme from Casino Royale, and peppers it throughout the movie, but these are freshly recorded cues mixed with totally original material. They are not recycled. I get that you like the score for HBP, and there are elements of it worth defending, but the repetition of tracks and recycling of old music are not among them.


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JLTucker, I replied to a post of yours in the other thread cause I thought it fit better there...but I guess I'll put it here too, since this is where the orignal post quoted is located:

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Why are people still complaining about there not being a battle? The reason why it was not included is completely logical.
Yeah, if you are satisfied with the excuse they gave- avoiding repitition. Personally I'm not ok with that reason.

I still say sticking to the book here and having the “skirmish” would have been 10 times better than that Burrow Attack they added. And they even set up the darkness powder, which could have been used here instead! They actually wouldn’t have even needed the confrontations that occurred in the book. Draco could have used to the powder to slip by unnoticed and then they just simply DON’T run into any help like they did in the book. Maybe they are too disoriented by the darkness powder and by the time they crawl out of it or whatever it’s too late or something. I dunno, but it could have played out much the same as it did after that point and at least we wouldn’t have the trio looking like idiots for not doing anything to try and stop Draco after they discovered where he was going and what he might be up to.


I'm confused though- there was a couple scenes where Harry tries to “tail” Malfoy. I still think it’s a shame the houselves were cut for this task. Anyways, so this didn’t lead to anything though as Harry seemingly never does find out in the film what Draco was really up to. Did he realize he was disappearing to the RoR? This wasn’t clear. And they omitted those lines where the trio solves this mystery so I wasn’t sure what we are supposed to assume. The best case would be for them to be completely unaware in the film of the suspicious activity but I don’t think this is the case as Harry says “I know what you did Malfoy” and is trying to track him around the castle. This does kinda beg the question why Harry didn’t have his friends keep an eye on Malfoy when he leaves with Dumbledore. At the very least he could have given them the map. But then I suppose this would have called for further action once they spotted him headed to the RoR and what I said above.


BTW, as to the current topic of dicussion- has my opinion of the film changed?

No, it hasn't. I've seen it 5 times now (2 in theatre/3 online) and if anything it gets even better each time. I still give it a 95%


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As I said before, look at POA's score. It uses several themes throughout the film, but does not simply regurgitate tracks from the first half of the movie or previous films. Nor did GOF or OOTP. Of course there are films that have done this, COS did it, Attack of the Clones did it (this is by far the most shameful example IMO) and they deserves criticism. An original score should be just that, and this one isn't. Look at Quantum of Solace. It takes the Vesper theme from Casino Royale, and peppers it throughout the movie, but these are freshly recorded cues mixed with totally original material. They are not recycled. I get that you like the score for HBP, and there are elements of it worth defending, but the repetition of tracks and recycling of old music are not among them.
This isn't proving that there aren't many decent composers who do not "chop up their own tracks and place little snippets of them throughout their score." I honestly do not have a problem with what Hooper did. Would you say it is uncreative for a television music composer to use created themes from previous seasons throughout the rest of the show?



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I just think it's silly when people get angry because the Harry Potter movies aren't like the books, these are really tough books to make into movies because of all the sub-plots. So, really I loved it, even though there were a few things that bugged me (they didn't really bug me that much though, only a tiny bit).


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Would you say it is uncreative for a television music composer to use created themes from previous seasons throughout the rest of the show?
This is a different scenario to Hooper's, however. I have no real issue when a composer takes a theme from a track from a previous film (or season) and incorporates it into an entirely new composition. However, in Half-Blood Prince, Hooper merely took compositions from previous films and slabbed them into the film, without making any creative alterations to them at all. For example, I have previously mentioned his direct inclusion of a version of "Hedwig's Theme" from either Chamber of Secrets or Prisoner of Azkaban in a portion of the scene on the Hogwarts Express, as well as his lazy use of the "Drink of Despair" track in both the Sectumsempra and actual Drink of Despair scenes; in addition, I believe he used the exact same track in both the scene involving Slughorn and Harry observing the former's photograph-laden shelf towards the beginning of the film and during Slughorn's confession, though this is not as bad, as Hooper and Yates at least used it for the same character in both scenes.


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Hooper merely took compositions from previous films and slabbed them into the film, without making any creative alterations to them at all. For example, I have previously mentioned his direct inclusion of a version of "Hedwig's Theme" from either Chamber of Secrets or Prisoner of Azkaban in a portion of the scene on the Hogwarts Express,
This is incorrect. As I said, if you listen to Hedwig's Theme from both SS/PS, CoS, and PoA, and compare it to its use in HBP, you'll hear something different.


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This isn't proving that there aren't many decent composers who do not "chop up their own tracks and place little snippets of them throughout their score." I honestly do not have a problem with what Hooper did. Would you say it is uncreative for a television music composer to use created themes from previous seasons throughout the rest of the show?
Again, Hooper did not simply spread themes throughout the movie. He spread identical tracks throughout it. A musical theme can take many forms, a few notes, a longer arrangement, whatever. I have zero problem with Hooper building old and new themes into his soundtrack, and he did this very well in 'Ron's Victory', but simply regurgitating old material completely unchanged is kind of shoddy.

As to your question, I'd say it depends. If he's putting a new spin on the themes, creating new cues, scoring new music, then great, if he's recycling old tracks, then sure, it's uncreative, but the production constraints on a TV show are much greater than those on a mega-budget film. I expect a lot more from a 2 hour film score than a weekly television show. It's unfair of me to lay the blame squarely on Hooper, Yates obviously played a part in the score, but the end product was still very lazy at times. If you don't have a problem with it, cool, it's not like the repeated cues didn't fit, they just stuck out as being recycled. It annoyed me in Attack of the Clones, and it annoyed me in this movie. Why is a $250million movie skimping on the score?


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This is a different scenario to Hooper's, however. I have no real issue when a composer takes a theme from a track from a previous film (or season) and incorporates it into an entirely new composition. However, in Half-Blood Prince, Hooper merely took compositions from previous films and slabbed them into the film, without making any creative alterations to them at all. For example, I have previously mentioned his direct inclusion of a version of "Hedwig's Theme" from either Chamber of Secrets or Prisoner of Azkaban in a portion of the scene on the Hogwarts Express, as well as his lazy use of the "Drink of Despair" track in both the Sectumsempra and actual Drink of Despair scenes; in addition, I believe he used the exact same track in both the scene involving Slughorn and Harry observing the former's photograph-laden shelf towards the beginning of the film and during Slughorn's confession, though this is not as bad, as Hooper and Yates at least used it for the same character in both scenes.
Imo he wasn't lazy. It isn't Hooper's fault that Yates and the editor chose to re-cycle "Fireworks" and "Dumbledore's army" from OOTP. In fact, Hooper wrote "The Weasley Stomp" and "Wizard Weezes" which was replaced by old music in the film.

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Okay, I agree that some tracks were very similar. "Dumbledore's speech" and "Dumbledore's foreboding" are almost the same as "Sirius deception" from OOTP but it doesn't need to be lazy work. It might be a considerate decision from the film makers and the composer. My only complaint is how he re-used Umbridge's theme without any purpose.

I think the piece of "The Drink of Despair" track fit into the sectumsempra scene. That piece wasn't used in the cave scene, but it was clearly similar. "The Drink of Despair" track is developed from the possession theme which proves Hooper's creativity. 10 seconds from Dumbledore's death was also heard in the opening scene. That's ingenius!

Aren't you happy they cram in the main HP theme once again? All of the films but OOTP (although I liked the score) lacked a proper theme. Here we have, along with the many sub-plots, three main themes. We have Draco's mission which is split up and used during his scenes, we have Slughorn's theme as you pointed out and we have "In Noctem" which is hide in Dumbledore's scenes. This may sound like a bad thing, but it isn't like we're listening to the same music during all of Slughorn's scenes.

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I went to see this movie with my mom, who hadn't read the books at the time, and with my Aunt and cousins, who had read all the books. I've read all the books more than once. Now that you have that background info...

First off, my mom almost fell asleep. Said it was the most boring Potter movie she'd seen, and she LOVES the HP movies. And my Aunt and I discussed everything I'm about to write and agrees with me.

I wouldn't say the movie SUCKED, because it didn't. There were times that I laughed. I really liked when Harry took the Luck potion. It was like he was high or something. Hilarious to me.

The beginning was great, especially with the Death Eaters destroying things. But in my opinion, that was the end of the action. Sad really, since it was only the first ten minutes of the movie.

The rest of the movie seemed to consist of snogging and people being jealous of one another, not to mention scenes that were pointless.

I was so disappointed at the Weasley's home being destroyed. First off, that wasn't in the book and so made it really unnecessary. Not to mention there was enough action in the book itself that they didn't need to add scenes that weren't in the book.

But the ending is what really ticked me off. The ending in the book was so dramatic and climatic. There was an incredible battle scene. Not quite as cool as the seventh book's, but it was pretty awesome. The way Harry reacted when Dumbledore died made me want to cry!
But the movie version was completely edited and a waste of screen time, in my opinion. There was no drama, no climax. There wasn't even fighting except Harry fighting Snape. What the heck happened to all the teachers fighting the Death Eaters? Even some of the students joined in, in the book! That would have been AMAZING to see on the screen! And then Harry's reaction to Dumbledore's death was rather blaise. I mean, his reaction to Sirius' death in the fifth movie was more like how he reacted to Dumbledore's death in the book. Even the way he was holding onto Cedric's body in the fourth movie, when he came back from the graveyard, was more akin to the 6th book then the movie was.

Finally, the way the movie ended was so stupid. It would have been so much better, theatrically, to have Dumbledore's funeral be the ending, and basically using the exact dialogue between Harry, Ron, Hermione and Ginny that was in the book ending. That would have been a PERFECT ending for the movie, but instead it basically petered out like a dying rat.

I know a lot of people liked this movie, and that's fine. We're all entitled to our opinions. I know plenty enjoyed the romance stuff. I didn't. It was ok, and yes it was in the book, I do remember that. But to me, the romance wasn't the main theme of Half-Blood Prince, and the movie made it seem that it was. The main theme was finding out more about Voldemort's past, which they only focused on a little, and of course Dumbledore's climatic (in the book, not the movie) death and the battle between Harry/the Professor's and Snape/the Death Eaters. But, unfortunately, that was hardly in the movie at all. *sigh* I really, really hope that the seventh and eighth movies are better.

All in all, I'd give it a 2/5.


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When?

I agree with everything else you said, however.

I understand why they used Fireworks in the Weezes scene, but considering Hooper had actually bothered with a new piece of score for it, I hate that they didn't use it.


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I don't think it actually appeared in full, but during the first potions class the music payed rather blatant lip service to it. It was similar but I don't think the theme was actually reprised.


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Let's not forget that Hooper, rather than composing a specific track for the credits-as Doyle did in GoF- preferred using Dumbledore's Army for the credits of OotP and Fireworks for HBP!
Sirius and Dumbledore die and we get that happy music?! (my friend called it the McDonald theme ) It was totally out of place after such tragic events occurred!
The music contributed to the lack of atmosphere in HBP, IMHO, I expected Hooper to improve after OotP (a soundtrack I loved) but he just got worse
I can't stand the use of close-ups by Yates, too.
He had that wonderful set of the Astronomy Tower, with the solar system surrounding Draco and Dumbledore, and instead of showing them acting in that environment, we get the usual close ups!


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I thought we got plenty wide shots of the solar system during the Astronomy Tower. Actually there LOADS. And they were epic. And the close-ups had an epic feel. I mean seeing Dumbledore and a landscape of huge black,deep blue clouds and beams of grey light combined-the aesthetics were extremely dark and had this spectacular epic feel. We also saw the solar system lots of times during the Trio scene in the end AND during the Tower scene before the cave. It would have been too much,IMO.


The editing at the Cave was choppy at few parts but the scene was brilliant. I loved the special effects, loved Gambon's performance, loved the art direction, the music...everything was spectacular. The whole scene with the Inferi, the underwater fight, the firestorm...oh god. That sequence-these 2.5-3 minutes-were the most amazing ones I've seen in any HP film. But it ended abruptly and it left me wanting more and more and more. And the editing during the Drink of Despair and sailing on the boat was slightly choppy but it wasn't an obvious problem that strikes. But comparing to the beauty and the epic feel of the entire 10 minutes of the Cave sequence, it was jaw-dropping.


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Many situations: When Harry and Ron are standing in the corridor laughing of the newest students. McGonagal asks why Harry isn't in potions.
It was also used during the Felix felixis scene.


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Re: Half-Blood Prince Movie Reviews v.2

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Originally Posted by Noldus View Post
It was also used during the Felix felixis scene.
Incorrect. Listen to the track "Living Death" on the soundtrack and you'll see that it is completely different from the Umbridge theme.



Last edited by NumberEight; September 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm.
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