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Nope, what I said was not victim blaming. Your analogy fails because it does not align to what I said. I don't understand your Lupin as a mugger, stalking after Snape who is just minding his own business traipsing down the street, and Lupin is trying to beat Snape up and take his stuff. In the book, Lupin was where he was supposed to be, minding his own business. So not sure how you got that from what I said.
I have to agree with you absolutely on this one. Lupin was a human being first and foremost. His life would have been thoroughly ruined had he bitten Snape when the latter sneaked into the tunnel. And for God's sake, Lupin didn't have that much of a life from the time James died until his last year.

I realize much of what I've just said could also apply to Snape. It's true that he never experienced true happiness, but a lot of that had to do with his own egregious mistakes - choices he made that were never going to get him the things he wanted, and Lily least of all. Snape lived his life on the margins and, in the end, he died on them.


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Nope, what I said was not victim blaming. Your analogy fails because it does not align to what I said. I don't understand your Lupin as a mugger, stalking after Snape who is just minding his own business traipsing down the street, and Lupin is trying to beat Snape up and take his stuff. In the book, Lupin was where he was supposed to be, minding his own business. So not sure how you got that from what I said.
It was not meant to be a direct analogy. But we can make it so if we add a few details. Victim knowingly takes a shortcut through an unsafe region (for whatever reason - benign or not), taking him/her through a place where the mugger hangs out. Mugger sees victim, sees an opportunity and acts on it. Victim gets mugged/abducted/killed. The bottom like is that there are very few situations (if any) where you can say a person deserved to be grievously harmed/killed no matter what sketchy thing the person was doing in the first place.

Edit: To clarify, this is not intended to equate Lupin with the mugger. This is simply from Snape's perspective.



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It was not meant to be a direct analogy. But we can make it so if we add a few details. Victim knowingly takes a shortcut through an unsafe region (for whatever reason - benign or not), taking him/her through a place where the mugger hangs out. Mugger sees victim, sees an opportunity and acts on it. Victim gets mugged/abducted/killed. The bottom like is that there are very few situations (if any) where you can say a person deserved to be grievously harmed/killed no matter what sketchy thing the person was doing in the first place.

Edit: To clarify, this is not intended to equate Lupin with the mugger. This is simply from Snape's perspective.
Good thing I didn't say that, then! Let me use your analogy out of convenience: What I am refusing to say is that if "Victim" was in said area robbing houses, and gets attacked by the mugger, that they are then innocent of robbing houses because they got mugged, and neither am I saying the mugger is innocent of mugging someone because their target was a robber. What I am saying is that the robber is still a robber and the mugger still is a mugger. I never said anywhere that Snape deserved being attacked by a werewolf, nor do I think I implied it, but I hope the above analogy sets straight my opinion on the matter.


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Another analogy: The mugger or robber is incarcerated to protect the public. For whatever reason, someone decides to break into the prison. Who's the bad guy?


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I'm going to try looking at this from Dumbledore's point of view .
He has spent a great deal of time and I presume a great deal of the schools money creating a safe way for Lupin to attend Hogwarts .
He either had built or adapted the shrieking shack so that Lupin had a safe place to go, He had the tunnel built and the Whomping Willow planted to protect the entrance to it . He set up the routine of having Lupin escorted down to the tunnel every time it was a full moon .
Now he discovers that one of his students has lured another into the tunnel at the full moon and that this student has seen Lupin as a Werewolf . What is he going to do he knows that nobody was bitten or otherwise harmed, but he wants to protect Lupin's secret from getting out , because he know how poorly Werewolves are treated by the Wizard world. So he takes the student in and makes him promise to keep Lupin's secret.
I don't know the nature of that promise but it had to have been binding in some way as Snape didn't break it until he was very upset at the end of POA.
I don't really think Dumbledore wanted to hand out punishments to Black and Snape as much as he wanted to protect Lupin from being banned from attending Hogwarts. That is where I think his priority was .


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Good thing I didn't say that, then! Let me use your analogy out of convenience: What I am refusing to say is that if "Victim" was in said area robbing houses, and gets attacked by the mugger, that they are then innocent of robbing houses because they got mugged, and neither am I saying the mugger is innocent of mugging someone because their target was a robber. What I am saying is that the robber is still a robber and the mugger still is a mugger. I never said anywhere that Snape deserved being attacked by a werewolf, nor do I think I implied it, but I hope the above analogy sets straight my opinion on the matter.
Understood. Like I said, it was the phrasing of that line that made me feel that way.

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Another analogy: The mugger or robber is incarcerated to protect the public. For whatever reason, someone decides to break into the prison. Who's the bad guy?
Well, what do you think? This analogy is not strictly accurate but its close enough.

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I don't know the nature of that promise but it had to have been binding in some way as Snape didn't break it until he was very upset at the end of POA.
I hadn't really considered this. It is interesting that Snape kept his mouth shut. He would have been sorely tempted to break it each time he had a run-in with James and Sirius. Perhaps it was just as simple as Dumbledore warning Snape that his place in the school would be at risk if he outed Lupin? Or perhaps he just trusted him to keep his word. Seems risky but I wouldn't put it past Dumbledore. In fact, that's probably exactly what happened with Dumbledore trusting Snape and leaving it at that while James and Sirius privately threatened Snape if he opened his mouth. The first scenario sounds un-Dumbledore-like.

That said, Sirius would not have revealed Lupin's secret even if he was given severe punishments. Its possible Dumbledore did not know that though. IMO Dumbledore let it go because he didn't see malicious intent in either student's actions and he did seem to have high tolerance for such stuff.


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Well, what do you think? This analogy is not strictly accurate but its close enough.
When you go looking for trouble, chances are you'll find it. Just as Snape did.

Sirius was wrong in telling Snape how to get into Lupin's sanctuary. I'll never defend that. James did the right thing in pulling Snape back from the brink of disaster. Oddly enough, Snape couldn't even give him that much credit.

Rowling gave us a glimpse of how Dumbledore might have viewed the incident when he and Harry first discussed the Pensieve in GoF. Bertha came out of the thing complaining that "he" had put a hex on her for teasing him about kissing a young girl. Dumbledore said "But why Bertha? Why did you have to follow him in the first place?"


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I wonder about Dumbledore's interest in Snape , We know from what JKR revealed after the series ended that Dumbledore was gay ,could there have been some interest on his part in Snape as a lover?. We do know that Dumbledore liked Gellert who was a bad guy, could it be a trend in Dumbledore's life to like bad guys?


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I wonder about Dumbledore's interest in Snape , We know from what JKR revealed after the series ended that Dumbledore was gay ,could there have been some interest on his part in Snape as a lover?. We do know that Dumbledore liked Gellert who was a bad guy, could it be a trend in Dumbledore's life to like bad guys?
Nah. I never viewed it that way to be honest. He was using Snape up to a point. As cruel as that may be. He knew that he cared for Harry's mother. And what a better motivator than love.


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Nah. I never viewed it that way to be honest. He was using Snape up to a point. As cruel as that may be. He knew that he cared for Harry's mother. And what a better motivator than love.
I think you're right. Snape experienced the kind of remorse Hermione spoke of when asked about how one could reunite one's soul after making a horcrux, and that kinda sorta led to a redemption of sorts. His soul was at least partly reflective of the regret he undoubtedly felt. I say partly because I have never forgiven his treatment of Harry from Day One, not to mention the way he hounded Neville.

The point I'm trying to make is that Dumbledore gave Snape an opportunity to redeem himself where it counts most, not using him so much s mentoring and directing his path to redemption. It's anyone's guess as to whether or not it was enough to gain Snape entrance to wherever good wizards go after death.


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I think you're right. Snape experienced the kind of remorse Hermione spoke of when asked about how one could reunite one's soul after making a horcrux, and that kinda sorta led to a redemption of sorts. His soul was at least partly reflective of the regret he undoubtedly felt. I say partly because I have never forgiven his treatment of Harry from Day One, not to mention the way he hounded Neville.

The point I'm trying to make is that Dumbledore gave Snape an opportunity to redeem himself where it counts most, not using him so much s mentoring and directing his path to redemption. It's anyone's guess as to whether or not it was enough to gain Snape entrance to wherever good wizards go after death.
Good point. He grew up somewhat, but some of him did not.

Maybe to a point.


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I think you're right. Snape experienced the kind of remorse Hermione spoke of when asked about how one could reunite one's soul after making a horcrux, and that kinda sorta led to a redemption of sorts. His soul was at least partly reflective of the regret he undoubtedly felt. I say partly because I have never forgiven his treatment of Harry from Day One, not to mention the way he hounded Neville.

The point I'm trying to make is that Dumbledore gave Snape an opportunity to redeem himself where it counts most, not using him so much s mentoring and directing his path to redemption. It's anyone's guess as to whether or not it was enough to gain Snape entrance to wherever good wizards go after death.
I think part of Dumbledore's drive to help redeem Snape came from Dumbledore's great remorse over what happened to Arianna. When Snape first came to Dumbledore, Lily was not yet dead, and I think Dumbledore could relate to Snape's desperate desire to change the course of tragedy he had set in motion. Dumbledore used the opportunity to demand that Snape do the work to help stop Voldemort. The attempt to save Lily did not work, though, and like Arianna, Lily ended up dead. Again Dumbledore pushed Snape to actually do work rather than wallow in self pity. I feel like Snape was a special project for Dumbledore, who had been so affected by his mistakes that lead to Arianna's death, that he wanted to see change and redemption for Snape because Dumbledore had spent a lifetime trying to get it for himself. Dumbledore seems to have invested a lot of resources towards attempting to redeem Snape-- perhaps more than would have been necessary for the simple pragmatic use of Snape as a spy, and some I feel skated close to sunk cost fallacy territory, like using Harry as a sop to keep Snape in line.

In short, I feel Dumbledore both was using Snape out of pragmatism-- Snape possessed useful skills, knowledge, and position-- and also Dumbledore became very personally invested in seeing Snape redeemed, even if the cost was high.


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I think part of Dumbledore's drive to help redeem Snape came from Dumbledore's great remorse over what happened to Arianna. When Snape first came to Dumbledore, Lily was not yet dead, and I think Dumbledore could relate to Snape's desperate desire to change the course of tragedy he had set in motion. Dumbledore used the opportunity to demand that Snape do the work to help stop Voldemort. The attempt to save Lily did not work, though, and like Arianna, Lily ended up dead. Again Dumbledore pushed Snape to actually do work rather than wallow in self pity. I feel like Snape was a special project for Dumbledore, who had been so affected by his mistakes that lead to Arianna's death, that he wanted to see change and redemption for Snape because Dumbledore had spent a lifetime trying to get it for himself. Dumbledore seems to have invested a lot of resources towards attempting to redeem Snape-- perhaps more than would have been necessary for the simple pragmatic use of Snape as a spy, and some I feel skated close to sunk cost fallacy territory, like using Harry as a sop to keep Snape in line.

In short, I feel Dumbledore both was using Snape out of pragmatism-- Snape possessed useful skills, knowledge, and position-- and also Dumbledore became very personally invested in seeing Snape redeemed, even if the cost was high.
Fair points! Forgot about his sister. It makes sense that he'd feel bad about it and want to do something to try to save Lily in some way.


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It seems like the books set out to show that Dumbledore helped Snape, but then in Book 7 we find out that Dumbledore had used Snape badly. My impression was that JKR changed tactics at book 7 in order to garner sympathy for Snape for his redemption bid. Dumbledore took a big hit, but it really didn't work for me. Instead, I saw them both as villains after that. The final talk between Harry and Dumbledore in the heavenly train station and Snape's memories only made the situation worse. It was like Snape messed up and took it out on the kids, using them to try to make himself feel better and Dumbledore messed up and took it out on Snape, using him to try to make things right. I don't see one action as any better than the other. There was no love for Lily in anything Snape ever did after she died and there was no love for Snape in Dumbledore's actions, imo.


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It seems like the books set out to show that Dumbledore helped Snape, but then in Book 7 we find out that Dumbledore had used Snape badly. My impression was that JKR changed tactics at book 7 in order to garner sympathy for Snape for his redemption bid. Dumbledore took a big hit, but it really didn't work for me. Instead, I saw them both as villains after that. The final talk between Harry and Dumbledore in the heavenly train station and Snape's memories only made the situation worse. It was like Snape messed up and took it out on the kids, using them to try to make himself feel better and Dumbledore messed up and took it out on Snape, using him to try to make things right. I don't see one action as any better than the other. There was no love for Lily in anything Snape ever did after she died and there was no love for Snape in Dumbledore's actions, imo.
Good points. I viewed what Snape did as obsession to a point tbh. As for Dumbledore, he was in a bad place. I don't think what he did was good either. Using Snape's obsession to his own ends. I remember something that Slughorn mentioned about obsessive love... that it wasn't good. I think it had to deal with love potions, but I think that it can relate to Snape in a way.


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It's been so long since I've used this forum properly - I forgot how much I love it. I had a couple of plot insights the other night and I thought this would be the best place to discuss it and see if the answer exists out there? There is nowhere to ask JK herself on the net is there? Twitter is too short for such an in-depth question and I'm not sure whether she has any other direct feed to herself?

Anyways, my question is regarding the insights I had into the Lightning Struck Tower chapter murder of Dumbledore post series ending when we have the current insights we have into the plot. We know that Dumbledore and Snape are both very accomplished Legilimens / employers of Occlumency also. Dumbledore, we assume is the more powerful wizard but Snape is frightfully powerful / intelligent in his own ways - espescially in the area of Occlumency when having to employ it against Voldemort.

During the rush and chaos of the Hogwarts siege and Dumbledore being cornered whilst weak we understand that Snape is acting out his role as a Death Eater whilst in the presence of them on the battlement. When asked by Dumbledore to carry out the murder they pre-arranged between themselves he did not know when the event was actually going to happen and must have had to do some serious quick thinking - trying to gain an unspoken insight into Dumbledore's mind to know whether this was indeed the moment. We only later learn in Deathly Hallows that Dumbledore states (during the HBP plot – but behind the scenes) that the “moment will present itself in due course.” When he read that Dumbledore was silently trying to tell him it was indeed the moment - that must definitely explain part of the "revulsion and hatred etched onto his face" as to what he was required to do because, as nasty as Snape is, I don't think he genuinely hated Dumbledore but actually had alot of positive emotions for him considering all they had been through together.

Of course we also know that Voldemort expected Snape to carry out the deed if Draco failed - so Snape will naturally have taken that priority into account aswell in the presence of Death Eaters and acted according to it (he is a multi tasking, quick thinking genius - you've gotta admire him) the key thing I was wondering however, which is left completely and infuriatingly untold / described, is whether or not Dumbledore managed to communicate to Snape how he had came to be in this weakened state - it would be a shock to anybody to see Dumbledore cornered like that and so Snape will have probably wanted to know straight away at the scene how it happened. Dumbledore probably confided in him of his journeys away from school but he will never have said how dangerous it would be or elaborated on it to his staff and not even Snape. What I would love JK to explain is whether Dumbledore purposefully employed occlumency in his weakened state so as to keep the memories / images of their travel to the location of the 'Horcrux' / Regulus's locket so as to keep Voldemort from potentially seeing this through Snape's mind? Surely this would have been a prime objective for Dumbledore, being almost always omniscient / several steps ahead, and how that will have been crucial to the masterplan and why they went to get the Horcrux to begin with - but it remains unexplained! The actual passage simply reads:

"'Draco, do it, or stand aside so one of us-' screeched the woman, but at that precise moment the door to the ramparts burst open once more and there stoof Snape, his want clutched in his hand as his black eyes swept the scene, from Dumbledore slumped against the wall, to the four Death Eaters, including the enraged werewolf, and Malfoy...

"...Dumbledore was pleading.

Snape said nothing, but walked forwards and pushed Malfoy roughly out the way. The three Death Eaters fell back without a word. Even the werewolf seemed cowed.

Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face..."

Leaving aside the the finer descriptions and detail of the murder, this quick altercation could be interpreted in many ways; either Dumbledore is simply pleading for Snape to fulfil the deed that they both agreed upon - at such apparent short notice or Dumbledore was asking him to read his mind for the further back story / context of the evening's events whilst still managing to conceal the actual details / images of the cave, locket etc. It's an awful lot to be aware of and an incredible amount of insight to be acquired in such a short moment, for both characters, but it is one of those incredibly powerful and emotional scenes where such insight would be possible - especially for wizards of Dumbledore and Snape's calibre.

I always wondered why Half Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows were not more detailed, as a die hard fan I was able to kind of piece together or imagine what was happening on the different levels but this really would need some explaining. I am assuming - based on the rest of the series - that Snape never gained insight to the content of Dumbledore and Harry's adventure that night because Voldemort definitely never found out until the Gringotts break in and he even had to go and check. However, the question still remains would Snape have managed to decipher the meaning of such random images in Dumbleore's mind to consider them valuable enough? Would Voldemort have been clever enough to see the emotional attachment to such images if he broke into Snape's mind? Or would Snape have simply managed to successfully keep more secrets hidden from Voldemort - as his usually brilliant self did on a regular basis?

I hope JK manages to answer and tie together such fine details as this at some point because it is such an elusive but crucial part of the plot - when you really think about the altercation and how it relates to the rest of the series (from what we're told).

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I always wondered why Half Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows were not more detailed, as a die hard fan I was able to kind of piece together or imagine what was happening on the different levels but this really would need some explaining. I am assuming - based on the rest of the series - that Snape never gained insight to the content of Dumbledore and Harry's adventure that night because Voldemort definitely never found out until the Gringotts break in and he even had to go and check. However, the question still remains would Snape have managed to decipher the meaning of such random images in Dumbleore's mind to consider them valuable enough? Would Voldemort have been clever enough to see the emotional attachment to such images if he broke into Snape's mind? Or would Snape have simply managed to successfully keep more secrets hidden from Voldemort - as his usually brilliant self did on a regular basis?
It's awesome to see such an interesting post on here, after all this time!

I have several thoughts on this.

First, I have felt since my first re-read of the scene on the tower in HBP, that the sequence of events as described, strongly suggests that Snape performed legilimency on Dumbledore before killing him. "Gazing" at him for a moment would have provided the opportunity, and we know that the result of gazing was that Snape's expression changed to a look of revulsion and hatred. That this was because Snape saw something in Dumbledore's mind always made sense to me.

But what?

I think, as you suppose, that Snape would have managed to successfully keep the locket events hidden if Dumbledore had managed/chosen to share them. He did, we know, manage to keep the destruction of the Ring Horcrux from Voldemort. We learned in DH, "The Prince's Tale", that in the process of saving Dumbledore from the ring's curse, he saw both the ring with the cracked stone, and the Sword of Gryffindor, out on Dumbledore's desk. But Voldemort only learned of the destruction of the Horcruxes after Harry's Gringott's break in.

However, I think that Dumbledore's preference would have been not to share this information with Snape if it could be avoided. As he indicated to Snape on "The Prince's Tale" there were secrets he preferred not to tell Snape, and one of those was what he and Harry were up to with the Horcruxes.

But Dumbledore could have shared with Snape what it was that he wanted Snape to do. We know from Order of the Phoenix, that Voldemort could show Harry a false image (an image of something that was not happening and had never happened), as when he showed Harry Sirius being tortured in the Dept. of Mysteries. So what I thought happened was that when Snape approached him, Dumbledore formed an image in his mind, of Snape killing him with the Killing Curse. This would have made clear to Snape that Dumbledore was indeed pleading with him to keep the agreement he had made at the start of the year. And Snape, once he used his Legilimency to understand this, killed Dumbledore as he had agreed.


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It's awesome to see such an interesting post on here, after all this time!

I have several thoughts on this.

First, I have felt since my first re-read of the scene on the tower in HBP, that the sequence of events as described, strongly suggests that Snape performed legilimency on Dumbledore before killing him. "Gazing" at him for a moment would have provided the opportunity, and we know that the result of gazing was that Snape's expression changed to a look of revulsion and hatred. That this was because Snape saw something in Dumbledore's mind always made sense to me.

But what?

I think, as you suppose, that Snape would have managed to successfully keep the locket events hidden if Dumbledore had managed/chosen to share them. He did, we know, manage to keep the destruction of the Ring Horcrux from Voldemort. We learned in DH, "The Prince's Tale", that in the process of saving Dumbledore from the ring's curse, he saw both the ring with the cracked stone, and the Sword of Gryffindor, out on Dumbledore's desk. But Voldemort only learned of the destruction of the Horcruxes after Harry's Gringott's break in.

However, I think that Dumbledore's preference would have been not to share this information with Snape if it could be avoided. As he indicated to Snape on "The Prince's Tale" there were secrets he preferred not to tell Snape, and one of those was what he and Harry were up to with the Horcruxes.

But Dumbledore could have shared with Snape what it was that he wanted Snape to do. We know from Order of the Phoenix, that Voldemort could show Harry a false image (an image of something that was not happening and had never happened), as when he showed Harry Sirius being tortured in the Dept. of Mysteries. So what I thought happened was that when Snape approached him, Dumbledore formed an image in his mind, of Snape killing him with the Killing Curse. This would have made clear to Snape that Dumbledore was indeed pleading with him to keep the agreement he had made at the start of the year. And Snape, once he used his Legilimency to understand this, killed Dumbledore as he had agreed.
On the other hand, it could simply be that Snape looked around, saw that Draco was unable to complete his task, and knew that he had no alternative but to kill Dumbledore or the Unbreakable Vow would kick in.


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On the other hand, it could simply be that Snape looked around, saw that Draco was unable to complete his task, and knew that he had no alternative but to kill Dumbledore or the Unbreakable Vow would kick in.
I don't agree , Snape knew from the moment he made the unbreakable vow that he would have to face up to killing Dumbledore someday. I think he was completely ready to carry out the task at hand . I feel that there could have been some kind of mental connection between them at that moment .Perhaps he saw something in Dumbledore's mind that upset or shocked him at that exact moment and he slipped and let it show on his face.


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On the other hand, it could simply be that Snape looked around, saw that Draco was unable to complete his task, and knew that he had no alternative but to kill Dumbledore or the Unbreakable Vow would kick in.
I agree with this, I don't see the need to read too much into it. It was perfectly obvious that it was the right moment to complete the task. There was no other way out of the situation. I don't see what useful extra information an insight into Dumbledore's mind would have given Snape. He already knew everything he needed to know, and there's no indication that he ever found out about the Horcruxes.


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