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Old August 4th, 2007, 3:47 am
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How did Snape find Harry & Hermione in the Forest of Dean?

How does Snape find Hary and Hermione in the Forest of Dean? Ron mentions its a big forest and he was going to wait until morning to look for them when he saw the doe & Harry. Is it a Death-eater thing and H & H have just been luck not to pick a spot near Death-eaters? Is it just that Snape has a general area to look in and finds signs of magic like DD in the cave?

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Old August 4th, 2007, 4:29 am
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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

How do we know that doe didn't wander around for 12 hours before Harry saw it?


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Old August 4th, 2007, 4:47 am
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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

Maybe Snape knew that Ron was being led to H&Hr, so He told his patronus to follow him and once it reached the forest it probably just wandered for a while until it found harry.


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Old August 4th, 2007, 4:59 am
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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

Ok this was explained in the book guys... remember that hermione had Phinea's portrait inside her magic purse? Phineas heard her mentioning the name of the forest and ran to his other portrait (in Hogwarts) to tell snape about it.


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Old August 4th, 2007, 5:06 am
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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

yup, enmapotter is right, Phineas sneaked into his other portrait (which was in hermiones purse), and overheard her talking to harry. During their conversation she says aloud that they are in that particular forest, and then snape just sends his doe to look for them.


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

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Ok this was explained in the book guys... remember that hermione had Phinea's portrait inside her magic purse? Phineas heard her mentioning the name of the forest and ran to his other portrait (in Hogwarts) to tell snape about it.
But, it's a big forest - so it's a fine point. How does he figure out where in the forest they are? He couldn't have left the school for that long, so he had to have some sort of plan...I don't think the portrait told him where in the forest they were, just that they were somewhere in the forest. Unless the forest is smaller than I thought...

This is a good question, actually...


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Old August 4th, 2007, 5:10 am
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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

Maybe a patronus can seek out all living beings and not just dementors.


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Old August 4th, 2007, 5:38 am
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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

Well I agree. If the patronus had a message for them, maybe it went directly to them.

Next Snape is a much more talanted wizard than Ron. I am certain he knows how tp detect magic and can maybe spot a shilding charm or something. Seeing that he can fly and all he could scan the area quickly.


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

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Maybe a patronus can seek out all living beings and not just dementors.
This is what my husband and I came up with. Mr. Weasley's patronus came to Grimmauld Place, did Mr. Weasley know where they were or does the Patronus find the person its looking for? Enchantments don't keep out Patronuses - remember in HBP Tonks sends her Patronus to Hogwarts which was very protected.


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

I'm sure this question may have been answered already, but in the book, Phineas overheard Hermione mentioning the location as she was pulling the portrait from her bag. Phineas reported the wherabouts to Snape. However, it doesn't really explain how Snape knew the exact location of the campsite other than maybe he was following Ron and decided to give it a shot and create the Patronus in hopes that Harry would see it somehow.


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This is what my husband and I came up with. Mr. Weasley's patronus came to Grimmauld Place, did Mr. Weasley know where they were or does the Patronus find the person its looking for? Enchantments don't keep out Patronuses - remember in HBP Tonks sends her Patronus to Hogwarts which was very protected.
I like this idea - Snape could not have left Hogwarts for very long, it would have been noticed - so he had to have everything carefully planned. Having the patronus be able to "think" on its own, etc helps out tremendously, since it means that Snape doesn't have to stick around to ensure everything worked out right.


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

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Maybe a patronus can seek out all living beings and not just dementors.
This is a very good point. Just look at the fact that it can be used to present messages to others. Maybe Snape just told it to go and find Harry and Hermione, and he was then able to get closer to them.


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Old August 4th, 2007, 7:23 am
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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

well, my theory is that the doe was sent to find harry. even harry thought to himself that he knew that he had to follow it... it was meant for harry, and harry alone. perhaps snape had to know the general area that harry was in, in order to send the patronus his way. it was meant to get to harry and to lead him to the sword. plus, snape had to know that they weren't moving to another location before casting the patronus... he couldn't send a patronus after someone who wasn't there anymore.


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Old August 4th, 2007, 7:30 am
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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

Just wondering, is there a forest in UK called "The Forest of Dean"??


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

Yes the forest of Dean is a real place in England.


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

The Forest of Dean is over 110 Kilometers squared, an extremely large area to search randomly. Snape must have set his Patronus to seek out Harry.


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

The fact that a patronas can find someone and deliver a message is one thing, but to find someone was is magically shielded, and then lead them without making contact to a predetermined location is stretching things - a lot. JKR needed it to happen and it did, powerful if impractical magic.


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

Okay Snape invented Muffalito, maybe he knows how to detect it. Second. The snatchers were able to find Harry and Hermione and Ron when they were shielded. hermione is no Dumbeldore. her shielding charms were more warnings than to prevent people from entering.

Remember they had to keep watch all the time. If she had confidence in her charms she they wouldn't have to keep watch.


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Re: How did Snape find H&H in the Forest of Dean?

In the start, Moody told Harry that there was a 'trace' on him. Maybe it was Snapes' trace?


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The fact that a patronas can find someone and deliver a message is one thing, but to find someone was is magically shielded, and then lead them without making contact to a predetermined location is stretching things - a lot. JKR needed it to happen and it did, powerful if impractical magic.
I agree. I don't think a patronus can find a someone who is magically protected in the middle of a forest (but I do think it's easier to lead that person somewhere though).

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In the start, Moody told Harry that there was a 'trace' on him. Maybe it was Snapes' trace?
The Ministry's trace ends when one turns 17. I doubt Snape invented a whole new trace just for Harry.


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