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Old October 14th, 2006, 3:01 am
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Yeah, how do you diagram a sentence?
You didn't just ask that, did you? This site seems to explain it pretty well: Diagramming Sentences. Good luck! Have fun! You'll need luck trying to understand it, but you won't have fun, I assure you.


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Old October 14th, 2006, 10:23 am
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You melted my brain.

my brain | You | melted
Subject...Noun...Verb


*Glares angrily.*

Look what you've done!


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Old October 14th, 2006, 2:52 pm
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Re: The Improve Your English Thread v3

Apparently, I had completely blocked out the memories of doing that in 7th grade English until I followed that link and saw all those lines with words going in every direction......


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Old October 14th, 2006, 3:02 pm
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He DID! 'You' is clearly the subject of that sentence...


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Re: The Improve Your English Thread v3

I've never put a comma before the word "and" but I do know that in some instances it can be correct.

I do remember an English teacher saying that we all used a comma far too often and really less is more. But I don't know. Grammatically I think commas are my downfall but I try my best!

As for diagramming a sentence. Yoda does well to do it backwards a lot of the time. I wonder whether George Lucas got the idea from another language and kept the direct translation.


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Old October 14th, 2006, 4:33 pm
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Re: The Improve Your English Thread v3

I have always used a lot of commas and am, currently, learning, to, stop,,, :P
but I've heard that they are acceptable in lists before 'and', just to make the last article of the list more emphasized.
Also, it depends what your style is. If you're bored, look over some of JK's writings closely and you'll notice that her sentences can oftend seem very complex and divided up often with commas. On the other hand, I've noticed that Tolkien keeps his sentences VERY short in LOTR.


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Some of them are quite long....


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Re: The Improve Your English Thread v3

Last week, in our English class, our teacher was fed up because students don't know the correct use of punctuation. She started a punctuation unit and our first lesson was commas. Now British English may be different, but we were handed a list of 'comma rules' which specify when to use commas. And one of them stated, you need to use a comma before the 'and'.

So I'd say, if you live in the US, use a comma before the 'and.'


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You melted my brain.

my brain | You | melted
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*Glares angrily.*

Look what you've done!
Here, I'll help:

You | melted | brain
. . . . . . . . . . . .\my



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And one of them stated, you need to use a comma before the 'and'.
Let's not get started on the Oxford comma again, please.


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I had a post on the subject a while back in this thread which I listed US Manuals of Style that mandate the comma in front of the 'and' (courtesy of Wikipedia, of course!). It is a good number of them, I am not surprised your teacher would consider this a rule of American English. It is the rule I was taught as well.
I'm embarrassed to say this but sometimes when I speak English, I'm a bit blur and some of my friends laugh at me. Nobody's perfect but still. :blush:


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Let's not get started on the Oxford comma again, please.
Sorry, my bad!


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Let's not get started on the Oxford comma again, please.
But those discussions are so exhilarating!


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Old October 15th, 2006, 11:52 am
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I don't want to go back there. I really, really don't.


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Here, I'll help:

You | melted | brain
. . . . . . . . . . . .\my

For those of us who spent our childhood watching old spinster teachers wearing cat-eye glasses diagram complex sentences on the chalkboard, your diagram brought a chilling memory of things best left forgotten.

George and Lucy, please go to the blackboard and diagram the above sentence.



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Just sounds like Yoda to me!


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Just sounds like Yoda to me!
No. That would be, 'Melted, my brain, you have.'


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and it's always sad to go, but it's never that sad, because there's only so many places you're guaranteed of getting a hug when you leave.
and then on the way home, it always seems like a good idea to go paddling in the fountain, and that's because it IS a good idea.
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No. That would be, 'Melted, my brain, you have.'
He is right you know.
Know you right he is.


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Boring question: is there no object in sentence diagramming? Or is that the noun?...


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and I always get confused, because in supermarkets they turn the lights off when they want you to leave, but in discos they turn them on.
and it's always sad to go, but it's never that sad, because there's only so many places you're guaranteed of getting a hug when you leave.
and then on the way home, it always seems like a good idea to go paddling in the fountain, and that's because it IS a good idea.
and we're just like, how rousseau depicts man in the state of nature:
we're undeveloped, we're ignorant, we're stupid, but we're happy

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Old October 16th, 2006, 2:08 am
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Re: The Improve Your English Thread v3

Your mention of Yoda reminded me of when I taught Hamlet. Shakespeare, because of the style of writing plays at the time, wrote many of the lines in the fashion that Yoda speaks. In fact, one of the exercises I used was having students make up a four or five word sentence and then rearranging the words so that each new sentence started with one of the words in the original sentence.

Yes, the object is diagrammed depending on its use in the sentence. I haven't done diagramming since 1975. I don't really remember much about it, though.


 
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