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I was cheering (in front of my tv) right along with those people at the White House, as I was watching CNN last night. I don't care what Pakistan says about how he it was a "martyr" death and I would have never supported a trial against him. Osama being dead is the only way justice would have truly been served. If Osama was in custody, Al Qaeda would have done everything they could have to free him, resulting in the deaths of more Americans.

As such, no Americans were killed during the attack on Osama. This is truly a victory, long awaited, for the United States and all allies. We've waited for this for almost 10 years. The day has finally come. Hallelujah!
Hear hear!

Lol I was busy watching a television show when my phone started going off and I switched to the news and saw the breaking story. I also cheered. This may not be the end of terrorism but there is a feeling of satisfaction. This man killed thousands of people and it took us 10 years and many lives lost along the way to achieve this.


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The death of Bin Laden is not going to eradicate terrorism, I don't think anyone is seriously thinking that's the case. When you kill one tyrant, another emerges. History is full of repetition.

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Totally off topic, and were speculation on my part with nothing to back it up, but I can't help but wonder whether the holiday the newly wed royals were supposed to take was changed because of this. I can't imagine that having the future King of England anywhere near the Middle East would be a good thing in lieu of the possibility of retaliation following OBL's death.
Talk of a tropical Island honeymoon, possibly the Maldives, which is not that far from Diego Garcia, in the event of an evacuation. But yes, I think there's scope to wonder that.

Although as I read somewhere the weekend was like a fairytale story. The Lady married her Prince and the Villain was defeated.


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Please be careful. It's not the Pakistani government that says "he's a martyr" or "his death was a martyr death". It's the Taliban. In these cases with tensions and international relations at stake one needs to take care to be precise.
Oops, I apologize sincerely!

I thought it sounded wrong. Because the Pakistanis have been supporting this and gave their full support in it.


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Bin Laden's era had seemed to be over: his star had been on the wane for some time and his extremist ideology appeared to be having less and less of an influence over young Muslims. But now, with this, my fear is that, to quote Yeats "A terrible beauty is born."
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I was cheering (in front of my tv) right along with those people at the White House, as I was watching CNN last night. I don't care what Pakistan says about how he it was a "martyr" death and I would have never supported a trial against him. Osama being dead is the only way justice would have truly been served. If Osama was in custody, Al Qaeda would have done everything they could have to free him, resulting in the deaths of more Americans.

As such, no Americans were killed during the attack on Osama. This is truly a victory, long awaited, for the United States and all allies. We've waited for this for almost 10 years. The day has finally come. Hallelujah!
There were no Americans killed during the attack, but I for me it's most certain that Americans will be killed because of the attack. For me it's a trade off I can not support. I agree with those who say that he lost his relevance long ago. He's just one man, that can and for sure will be replaced by another one. This isn't going to end anything, it's going to result in counter attacks. What a great achievement.


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Do you honestly think that these extremists wouldn't have attacked us or other targets if they got the chance to anyways?

And yes it is a great symbolic achievement. Not the end of terror but long deserved justice being served.


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And yes it is a great symbolic achievement. Not the end of terror but long deserved justice being served.
Agreed.

There was cheering in front of the White House, as well and Ground Zero and the field where the plane went down in Pennsylvania. "God Bless America" and the "Star Spangled Banner" were being sung. I was watching the news last night, and the crowd in front of the White House went from 30-40 tourists, to at least 1000 people in just under an hour!

This is celebration, and it will go on for a while. You think these people care about possible retaliation right now? Maybe, but I don't think so. This is news we've been waiting for for a very long time. Way overdue.


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Do you honestly think that these extremists wouldn't have attacked us or other targets if they got the chance to anyways?

And yes it is a great symbolic achievement. Not the end of terror but long deserved justice being served.
Yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts on the subject too. As I've said previously, I don't think putting him on trial was a feasible option, so it was either a case of finding him and killing him, or letting him off. I'm glad he's dead. Will there be reprisals? Possibly, maybe probably, but when the alternative is allowing Bin Laden to walk free what choice do we have? We're just going have to put our faith in the intelligence services to help keep us safe from any retaliatory terrorist attacks.


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Why does Fox News keeping calling him Usama? Is that his other name? It's really strange for them to do that.


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First joke surrounding this story that I've heard: "Donald Trump demands to see the death certificate"
First joke I heard when the news first broke; Obama texts Bush; "LOL"

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Why does Fox News keeping calling him Usama? Is that his other name? It's really strange for them to do that.
The Fox News coverage is hilarious!

You can tell they want this to not make Obama look good, but it's impossible for Obama to not look damn good because of this.



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The Fox News coverage is hilarious!
Not to mention 'confrims'


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Not cool, Fox News. They were my favorite news station. How do they not see these typos?

Speaking of typos, be careful when you type today. Just one letter separates Osama and Obama! Don't offend the USA cause of a typo!


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I agree with those who have said it's more symbolic than anything else. He wasn't the only leader of al Qaida, he wasn't the only extremist. Even though he was an influential one. There may be attempts at reprisals, but there may have been such attempts anyway.

I don't know if a trial would have been feasible, but I also wonder if it would have been a better outcome than the one that happened. Although it seems he was refusing to surrender, so that was probably the only outcome possible at the time.


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That is so embarrassing...

They really need to watch things more carefully.


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This was never going to end peacefully and thoughts otherwise are rather naive. Had Bin Laden been killed within months of 9/11, the reaction would have been far different. But a lot of the cynicism comes down to the great time delay between 9/11 and now (early 90s if you count the first attempt on WTC), the costs in lives and many billions of dollars fighting multiple conflicts, large & small to bring down a network that is borderless and untameable. It's easy to be cynical, but it's also easy to forget how big an impact 9/11 had on the world and how it affected people, particularly Americans.

Bin Laden probably knew that he was on borrowed time and that he would eventually be caught but he wasn't going to just hand himself over, it was always going to be a bloody death. The fact is he achieved everything he wanted on 9/11 and everything since has been a bonus for him. Even now there will be those who say his death is still a victory because it will create further generations of new terrorists who will look up to him as a martyr. But none of that means the US shouldn't have stopped hunting him or those who support him. Regardless of his value to the cause now, his value to the people he hurt never diminished and the outpouring of emotion on the streets in America, says just that to me.

Besides, people always celebrate the death of the figurehead of any enemy movement. You don't need to go back too far in time to see how people have come to celebrate the end of a regime, the fall of a government or the death of a dictator. People have the same celebratory reactions to these events, because it means something to them to see their worst enemy brought down, one who was responsible for crimes against them. The events on the streets in the US are as much about celebrating one man's downfall and honouring those who died by his command. They see it as closure, even if those of us outside the zone cannot understand or support that expression.


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Totally off topic, and were speculation on my part with nothing to back it up, but I can't help but wonder whether the holiday the newly wed royals were supposed to take was changed because of this. I can't imagine that having the future King of England anywhere near the Middle East would be a good thing in lieu of the possibility of retaliation following OBL's death.
I don't think that this is the case. The royals don't do things spontaneously. It's been said that the couple never intended to go on a honeymoon right away and the whole speculation was centred on misleading information spread by the royal family to ensure a maximum of privacy for the newly-weds. Moreover, this mission seems to have been top secret. I doubt that Buckingham Palace would have received a call by Obama, telling them to postpone the honeymoon because of a top secret US military strike in Pakistan.


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I don't know if a trial would have been feasible, but I also wonder if it would have been a better outcome than the one that happened. Although it seems he was refusing to surrender, so that was probably the only outcome possible at the time.
Too many people would have probably died between the time of his arrest, to the time of his likely execution.


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Although as I read somewhere the weekend was like a fairytale story. The Lady married her Prince and the Villain was defeated.
Add to it that's it's my youngest son's 8th Birthday today!


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I think that even if Bin Laden was killed, there will be possible successors which we may not know of. The Ayman guy is one, but there may be others which we do not know. I'm a little worried about that.


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Do you honestly think that these extremists wouldn't have attacked us or other targets if they got the chance to anyways?
Of course they would have attack us even if he hadn't been killed, and they will likely attack us now that he's dead. But finding him, which apparently involved more than 4 years of careful intelligence chasing ghosts, is a slap in the fact to extremism. Until now every terror leader out there could look to Osama as a symbol of defying the Great Satan. That symbol is now lying at the bottom of the sea with a bullet in his brain.


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