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Actually that's what I'm doiing now. Backpacking, living, enjoying my life. But people still keep bothering about if I found a hubby during travelling and stuff. It gets annoying. Quote:
I rememeber when we weren't allow to tell my cousin that he's actually wearing "girl shoes" (which didn't look girly at all but never mind). He'd throw a tantrum if he found out. Quote:
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I've read that before, too. I think that it changed around during the late 1800s/early 1900s.
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I do worry though about teaching girls from a very young age that they are a totally different species to boys and socialising them from a very young age to value themselves primarily on their appearance. I don't know how that scientist can possibly say that environment has no effect on children. The one that shocked me was the shop (mentioned in the article I posted) that labelled a doctor dressing-up outfit as for boys and a nurse's outfit for girls. I don't think the shop was in on some deliberate patriarchal conspiracy to push girls into lower-paid jobs - it's possibly just that they thought the doctor's costume was dowdier outfit and thus not pretty or flash enough for pink-obsessed girl, but it sends out a terrible message. |
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![]() Having said that I think the media has changed a bit in separating boys and girls when it comes to TV shows, music etc. You'll always have media which is designed to appeal to one sex more than the other but from what I've seen it's becoming more generic.
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I do remember reading a lot of stuff at teacher training college about how staff in mixed schools often give far more time and space (sometimes literally! We saw videos where boys were actually occupying more desk and floor space than girls of the same size and weight) to boys and that girls can often be more intimidated into thinking that certain subjects aren't for them (girls often get turned off PE because they don't want to look stupid in front of the boys or wear tight-fitting cloths or run about making heir bits wobble in front of a male audience. And statistically girls are far more likely to specialise in maths and sciences a single-sex schools than mixed ones. Sometimes it's because girls at mixed schools are scared of being labelled unfeminine if they do a "male" subject, sometimes boys behave like they "own" that subject ad won't let anyone else in, sometimes it just never occurs to the that girls can do the subject, too, because they've always seen boys specialising in it.). Sometimes teachers' behaviour is subconscious. A friend of a friend who is a teacher, but is also an ardent feminist and always consciously tries to promote women's rights, was horrified when she saw a video of one of her lessons - she realised that she spent far longer paying attention to he boy and the girls and was far more harsh on the girls than the boys for the same kids of misbehaviour but absolutely none of this was deliberate or conscious. But I do agree that boys who have been to a single-sex school are more likely to treat girls as an inferior species and treat the world like they own it in RL. (I generalise, of course - I have male friends who went to single-sex schools who are lovely and I know some ********s who went to mixed schools). Quote:
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I watched Top Gear some times and I like the guys and their manners. I guess it depends on the indiviual person and how they see people who talk like that. I find it amusing.
In Germany we have this TV channel that's meant to be for guys. DMAX: TV for men. That's their slogan. Most of their shows are about cars and things like "The Deadliest Catch" etc. It just weird that most people I know who watch the channel are women. On the other hand I know men who like to watch "women stuff" like cooking shows. LOL just found an article about DMAX in Germany's top feminist magazine. They question why men need their own channel. But the thing is years ago there was an own channel for women, but that didn't work out. Most every women wanted to watch something different, they couldn't please them and the channel vanished after some time. Men are easier to satisfy they say and it's easier to maintain a channel for men than for women. |
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Interesting. Here in the U.S., we have Lifetime network, which is billed as a women's network. The closest male equivalent I can think of is Spike TV.
Aside from the obvious stereotypes (women like romance, men like sports) it's hard for me to see what makes entertainment gendered. Admittedly, I don't watch Lifetime much, but I mainly associate it with melodramatic movies that are supposed to teach some sort of lesson. |
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I have to say, I quite often watch Dave, a channel here which is aimed at men and shows reruns of old BBC shows thought to be particularly suitable for men. The ones I like are some of the extreme survival shows and comedy panel shows.
One thing that this "men"'s channel has really demonstrated to me, though, is how male centric a lot of mainstream TV is. The comedy panel shows, in particular, seem to be dominated by male panel members, with occasionally a token female who tends to get ignored a lot or becomes the butt of sexist jokes. Sandi Toksvig, a female comedian who frequently appears on panel shows on the radio, has been quite outspoken about the fact that when these shows transfer to the TV, mysteriously she ceases to be asked to appear on them, while her male co-panellists usually still are. There does seem to be a culture in TV of avoiding using female participants if they might scare off the male audience, but it's taken for granted that female viewers will be happy to watch a male presenter. Another thing that does my head in is the stereotype that a panel of 4 with 3 men and one woman on it is "equal rights", while a panel of 4 with 3 women and one man on it is "overfeminised". But if anyone has any doubts that TV privileges male viewers you've only got to look at the quality of daytime TV. When only chicks are likely to be watching, we get shows aimed at the lobotomised. |
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Truth to be told, personally I don't think that female comedians are as good as male ones. We got this comedian who's most famous act was to make fun of his girlfriend and about women in general and he's superb at it, got even into the guiness book for having the biggest audience for a comedy show ever. And when watching the show I bet you'll crack up as well about the women joke because deep down they are true and there are women out there who are like that and you know it.
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Meanwhile, my dad likes to watch Ghost Whisperer on WE ("Women's Entertainment TV" -- cable channel in the US).
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The Sandi Toksvig case is interesting, in that she is a well-respected comedian who is considered good enough to hire for shows on the radio (quite a reliable arbiter of quality, I would think - Radio 4 comedy has quite high quality control), but rarely seems to make it onto shows when they transfer to the TV. This to me suggests that there is something other than quality going on. Jo Brand, another British female comedian and one of the few females to be able to hold their own and reach the top in the macho comedy culture has also said some very interesting things about why men succeed and women don't - she definitely doesn't think it's because women are just less funny. For example, she is heavily overweight and dresses in quite a masculine way and, particularly early on in her career, frequently had to contend with male audiences shouting "Get off stage, you fat lesbian" (she's not actually a lesbian, but many people assume she is, because she doesn't conform to societal norms of male beauty) before she'd even opened her mouth, so they had no idea whether she would be funny or not. But she said that she found that prejudice easier to overcome that the one that attractive female comics face - men are even less likely to have respect for a sexy female comedian. So audiences are judging female comedians on things completely unrelated to their ability to be funny. Some people have theorised that a certain type of humour - where comedians try to compete with, insult and undermine each other, commonly seen in these comedy panel shows - is partly testosterone-linked and thus easier for men to do. But that's not necessarily any funnier than other types of humour and in my opinion TV that is heavily biased towards that particular brand of comedy could do more to include other types of humour that women (whether naturally or culturally) are more likely to succeed at. Quote:
These can be very funny and very astute at picking up on behavioural quirks, although I think there is a danger that they make behaviour which is limited to a minority and socially constructed seem like it is universal, natural and inevitable. Last edited by Melaszka; February 24th, 2010 at 2:35 pm. |
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![]() I'm not into stand-up comedians and I find a lot of British comedy these days both lame and over-rated. Comedy was definitely funnier when I was growing up. ![]() Some of my favourite British comedians are women: Victoria Wood (astute, witty and clever), French and Saunders (brilliant), Jo Brand (I love her deadpan style) and Sandi Toksvig (I am remembering her stints back in the early '90s). And let's not forget Joanna Lumley's master-class in comic acting in Absolutely Fabulous. Also Julia Davis, who wrote and starred in the blacker-than-black Nighty Night. That was satire, people. ![]() Of course there are funny men out there too. ![]() My favourite UK male comedian in recent years is probably Steve Coogan. His Alan Partridge series just cracked me up. ![]()
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