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Good point, there are some parallels. However, in this case, one of the reasons selling organs is illegal is that it would potentially drive up the cost of organ transplants so that only the wealthy could afford them. Organ donation in this country is purely voluntary (and I wouldn't say you'd be desperate to donate in that case, just generous). If there was a market for organs legally, donors would exploit needy patients instead.

The major difference between organ donation and prostitution also is that one doesn't NEED to solicite a prostitute in order to survive. If one were in the situation where one needed an organ transplant, one would NEED that organ in order to survive.
Both of these points are examining the question from the perspective of the recipient and not the donor. Organ transplants are already quite expensive, though, and medical insurance (or state medical care) covers the cost of that, so, theoretically, there's no reason that it could not also pay the donor. The question, then, is why would someone be a donor? As you point out, currently people become donors for altruistic reasons. However, if donors were reimbursed, some people would become donors soley for the money, putting their own health at risk. How is prostitution different from that?


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Old May 4th, 2007, 5:24 am
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Both of these points are examining the question from the perspective of the recipient and not the donor. Organ transplants are already quite expensive, though, and medical insurance (or state medical care) covers the cost of that, so, theoretically, there's no reason that it could not also pay the donor. The question, then, is why would someone be a donor? As you point out, currently people become donors for altruistic reasons. However, if donors were reimbursed, some people would become donors soley for the money, putting their own health at risk. How is prostitution different from that?


Okay, I need to be clarified on something...

If you sign up to be an organ donor, don't you have to be dead before they can be allowed to harvest most of your organs (notice I said most, not all, since, obviously, we can live with things, like 1 liver instead of 2... health risks taken into account)?

So for most things, it'd be those who survive you who'd be collecting the money.

Though if you are okay with giving up a liver, I do think you should be rewarded with money (not mentioned beforehand, however).





And I seriously just went off-topic. Sorry, guys. Didn't mean to.





Anyways...

The main reason for making prostitution legal, IMO, is protection. I think it will cut down on exploitation because the prostitutes can be protected by cops and go to the cops w/o fear of be arrested themselves. So, by making it legal, the would-be exploiters will have more of a reason to not exploit the prostitutes.

Plus, again, health screenings and STD protection...


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Old May 4th, 2007, 10:30 am
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Re: Should prostitution be made legal?

Keep it illegal.

We have plenty enough to encourage people to throw away self-respect and pride. No need to add to it.

Or is it a better attitude to say everyone has a price, might as well be a few bucks/quid?

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Keep it illegal.

We have plenty enough to encourage people to throw away self-respect and pride. No need to add to it.
I don't see how prostitution adds to throwing away self respect and pride. And I don't see how illegalisation of prostitution decreases the existence of it.


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I don't see how prostitution adds to throwing away self respect and pride. And I don't see how illegalisation of prostitution decreases the existence of it.
The stigma attached to it tends to keep all but the desperate away from such a life.

Legalizing it says that it is ok for a girl to sell her body for a few bucks, not realizing she is selling much more than she thinks. There is much more to humanity than the body and what affects the one will always affect the other.


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The stigma attached to it tends to keep all but the desperate away from such a life.

Legalizing it says that it is ok for a girl to sell her body for a few bucks, not realizing she is selling much more than she thinks. There is much more to humanity than the body and what affects the one will always affect the other.
I don't think legalization says it's okay to go into prostitution.
I live in a country where it's legal and trust me, hardly no woman here think's it's something that is good or okay to do.

A thing that's worrying though in the Netherlands is the amount of loverboys and girls that try to lure young girls into prostitution by force, first giving them expensive gifts and then demand payment via prostitution in return. This girls are usually naive and unpopular and easily to use.

Legalization mainly means that women who are "mostly" forced into prostitution have some form of protection, nothing else. It's still considered an unacceptable profession, something people are not encouraged to do.

It exists, it won't go away whatever you do, so the best thing is to make at least safe.


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It exists, it won't go away whatever you do, so the best thing is to make at least safe.
Child porn doesn't seem to go away either.


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It exists, it won't go away whatever you do, so the best thing is to make at least safe.
I agree. It's not for nothing that prostitution is called the oldest business in the world. Legalisation will not increase prostitution, only ensure a official control system, from health, hygenic issues, to age, taxes, etc.
Making it legal will also decrease the mafia behind it, because it's harder to make money with something illegal when it's legal. When alcohol abolition was lifted, it was a very hard blow for the alcohol mafias, they lost their business.

Also to make it legal can ensure a better working quality for those who dedicate to this profession.

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The stigma attached to it tends to keep all but the desperate away from such a life.

Legalizing it says that it is ok for a girl to sell her body for a few bucks, not realizing she is selling much more than she thinks. There is much more to humanity than the body and what affects the one will always affect the other.
Well, I more refer to what I call luxury prostitution. Ok, it's usually not the dreamjob of people, but there are cases when prostitutes (male and female) dedicate to this because it's very lucrative (much more than housecleaning for example). I'm not talking about forced or minor prostitution, nor about the drug dependents who really don't care what they do in order to get money for their drug supply. And this is not going to change with legalization, besides in that case the problem is not the prostitution but the addiction; prostitiution is merely a side effect. Combat drug addiction, and they won't prostitute themselves.

Same with other less desirable forms of prostitution, which of course should be illegal, namely minors. There the problem are the 'costumers'. They are the real criminals, and those who offer this are only responding to a demand. Of course they are criminals too, and for me absolutely not part of this discussion.

Beforehand: Prostitution that should be legalised is for me:

A service offered willingly by adult workers who chose freely to dedicate their life to this business. This type of prostitution should be legal. Legalisation in this case ensures: social security, pension, health security, security in general, control, taxes, etc.


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Re: Should prostitution be made legal?

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Child porn doesn't seem to go away either.
That is a whole different discussion, based namely on the ages.

Prostitution is prostitution, and it will never go away. The best thing to do is make it safe for the people in the business and control it.

If a prostitute gets exploited, they should be able to go to the cops w/o fear of being arrested themselves. And, with legalization, health screenings can be done, and checks can be made for STD on both the employees and the customers.

By keeping it illegal (if you really want to bring underage children into this), it opens up a chance for a younger girl or boy to be forced into the profession by a pimp. By legalizing it, the government can 1) eliminate pimps and 2) create an age limit (18 or, even better 21). By making it legal, it can be regulated and controlled. This is a much better move than keeping it illegal.

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Why should it only be legal for, basically (my interpretation of your words), people who freely choose or want to do it? What about those who have no choice? For example:
You come from a poor background, you could never get into school, maybe you were abused, you had a child at a young age, you now have a family to support, and you can't get anything else?
It should be legal for them, too.

(Or did I misunderstand you? Believe me, that's quite possible. )


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Why should it only be legal for, basically (my interpretation of your words), people who freely choose or want to do it? What about those who have no choice? For example:
You come from a poor background, you could never get into school, maybe you were abused, you had a child at a young age, you now have a family to support, and you can't get anything else?
It should be legal for them, too.

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Well, of course it should be legal generally. I more meant that when I refer to prostitution I mean the prostitution on a free willed base. I exclude their for example illegal immigrants who are often treated like slaves. (women lured into a country, passport stolen, trapped and forced to be prostitutes) These are problems with an entire different focus, and should be treated differently, because the prostitution in this case is a consequence of another problem, not the problem itself.

In the case you mention it's similar. There the problem is not the prostitution ,but the lack of education, abuse, social net failing, etc. These persons should be given an opportunity for education, therapy etc, so they can chose to leave prostitution if they want.

I mean that having prostitution illegal does not solve the problem of these persons, nor help them to escape prostitution, it only pushes them more into margination.


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I think it boils down to whether or not society thinks promiscuous sex should be criminalised. I would guess that most people think it's OK to have sex with whomever one pleases (so long as it pleases the other person, of course.) Some people just have a price. A person could chuse or not chuse to have sex with someone who charges money. Chances are, if they're willing to pay to have sex, they're not getting it somewhere else, but the want is still there. I see it as kind of like supply and demand.

Now, one might argue that this is just a demand for something that is immoral. Well, who decides what is and what is not moral? As long as society celebrates promiscuous sex, how can one person deny another their right to have sex by any means that they are able to acquire it, whether that means courting or cash.

Legalising prostitution would make unions possible for legitimate workers and increase their profit and their safety. It would also likely decrease - if only to a minor degree - drug use (something that is almost intrinsically tied to prostitution) and the spread of STDs (though I'm not sure how much the latter is even a problem currently.)

The only problem I would foresee is a temporary increase in human trafficking to meet a possible increase in demand; however, I also imagine that legalising prostitution would force unions to bring to control who their workers are and clean out the system of this thing from within.

In summary, I think people have a right to pay money for sex, just as they have a right to pay money for any rendered service that is legal right now.


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No. It's the selling of one's body for services rendered. It's a way of legitemizing the skin trade. If it becomes openly profitable for people to compete for business this way, I believe you will see the cost of doing business rise, and, with that, the incentive for people to enter in such a business -- and, with this, people like teens, children who have little other way of making money, who offer a desireably commodity -- prey for many of those sick enough and more than willing to participate.

No way. It's pandora's box.


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No. It's the selling of one's body for services rendered. It's a way of legitemizing the skin trade. If it becomes openly profitable for people to compete for business this way, I believe you will see the cost of doing business rise, and, with that, the incentive for people to enter in such a business -- and, with this, people like teens, children who have little other way of making money, who offer a desireably commodity -- prey for many of those sick enough and more than willing to participate.

No way. It's pandora's box.
In countries where prostitution is still illegal it's profitable anyway, because there there they (brothel owners etc) operate outside control of the government and social services.

Making it legal with social services and the police working together with prostitutes and their employers, there is a much bigger chance that the dark sides of the trade are being fought against. Keeping it illegal and in the shadows will not stop it.


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and, with this, people like teens, children who have little other way of making money, who offer a desireably commodity -- prey for many of those sick enough and more than willing to participate.
I think we have all made very clear that prostitution is to be defined in this discussion as offered by adults. For me the discussion of minors doesn't enter here.

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No way. It's pandora's box.
It's not. Many countries have legal prostitution and they are not Sodom and Gomorrah. I think HesHPfan mentioned the Netherlands a few pages ago. A very modern advanced and civilized country.

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I'm sure those in the Netherlands thinks it works well enough.

Here in the US, it has to do more with State by State, since it will never work on a National level. We are too big and too populated.


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and, with this, people like teens, children who have little other way of making money, who offer a desireably commodity -- prey for many of those sick enough and more than willing to participate.
You truly, honestly believe that by that making prostitution legal, they will allow anyone under the age of 18 or 21 to be a prostitute? Seriously?

In the US:
-Smoking tobacco is legal. BUT, you have to be 18.
-Drinking alcohol is legal. BUT, you have to be 21
-Porn is legal. BUT, you have to be 18 or 21 to both be a customer and/or participate

So why would they legalize prostitution and not tack on an age limit? That would be kinda dumb.




And some questions for everyone who believe prostitution should be illegal:
-For all those women forced into it, what protection will they have from exploiters and STDs?
-I think we can all agree pimps are bad. How do you counter the fact that legalizing prostitution will make it quite a bit easier to restrict, or, more likely, eliminate pimps?


These are things that have to be addressed, and it is a fact that they can be dealt with quite a bit easier if prostitution is legal.


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people like teens, children who have little other way of making money, who offer a desireably commodity -- prey for many of those sick enough and more than willing to participate.
That will never be legal because that is something that goes beyong prostitution, something called consent. We're talking about prostitution between adults. Right now, there seems to be a good deal of human trafficking of underage girls for prostitution, but legalising prostitution would actually likely do away with that. People would turn to legitimate sources for their services and the dark side of the business would all but disappear. Teens would not even be able to voluntarily get into the business because legitimate places would not hire them.

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I'm sure those in the Netherlands thinks it works well enough.

Here in the US, it has to do more with State by State, since it will never work on a National level. We are too big and too populated.
I agree that it is something that would be better taken care of state by state in the US, but there shouldn't be any national pressure to keep it illegal. I don't know if there is now or not, though, but it seems like there aren't many states willing to discuss legalising prostitution at the moment.

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You're joking, right? You truly, honestly believe that by that making prostitution legal, they will allow anyone under the age of 18 or 21 to be a prostitute?
I think she was more concerned that legalising prostitution would increase the demand for underage prostitutes, not that they'd be necessarily allowed to be prostitutes. I think it's a valid concern considering the present, but I also think it's something that would change after prostitution were legalised - the demand may still increase, but the supply would definitely go down as prostitutes of age became more easily available.


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Ok, I know it sounds crazy, but should prostitution be made legal in the countries its illegal in.

I was in a Model UN conference and this was the debate. One side said its all about personal choice and the other side said that it should be kept illegal.

Personally, I don't think it should be made legal because its just wrong.
The reason why there has been talk of legalizing prostitution is because there are some who believe that legalizing it will help prevent human trafficking. If prositution is legalized it will mean that prostitutes will be certified rights and lead to better protection for them. ON the flip side there still really isn't a good way to tell who is being forced into prositution and who isn't. Plus it just makes ir harder to prosecute traffickers because than they are protected by the law.

People migth say prositution is immoral but people tend to not notice that the selling of sex is the third largest international industry. Prostiution exsists because there are always willing and ready customers mainly men for the most part. SO you might think its immoral but there are millions of men out there who think nothing of cheap sex regardless of where its coming from.

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Noth with our right wing Christians we won't. It will be a cold day in hell first before they ever legalize prostitution.


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Re: Should prostitution be made legal?

Personally, I don't hold prostitutes or those who use them in very high regard nor do I view prostitution as a "job". However, it won't go away, illegal or otherwise. I see no reason for it to be illegal no matter how repulsive and devolved it is.


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