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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:28 am
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Re: What would you change about the films?

I would change Hermione calling Ron "Ronald".

WHEN did she EVER do that in the books?


Of course, I would change Ron`s, Dumbledore`s and Harry`s behavior.


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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:37 am
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I would change Hermione calling Ron "Ronald".

WHEN did she EVER do that in the books?
Quite a few times if I remember correctly.


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Old December 12th, 2011, 12:06 pm
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Quite a few times if I remember correctly.

Well, I hereby beg you to give me quotes. I am pretty sure, book Hermione called Ron "Ronald" only once through the
entire series - in DH, when he came back, after he destroyed the locket.

Other than that, he was always Ron to her.


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Old December 12th, 2011, 12:32 pm
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Well, I hereby beg you to give me quotes. I am pretty sure, book Hermione called Ron "Ronald" only once through the
entire series - in DH, when he came back, after he destroyed the locket.

Other than that, he was always Ron to her.
Maybe I'm getting confused since I've not watched the films or read the books in a while - I did say if I remember correctly. Why does it bother you anyway?


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Old December 12th, 2011, 2:09 pm
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Maybe I'm getting confused since I've not watched the films or read the books in a while - I did say if I remember correctly. Why does it bother you anyway?
Hi!

I am just kind of a hardrock-honest-to-heart-canon-proof HP fan

And that goes for the books primarily.

WHY does it bother me?
Good question.
See, in the books
Ron was always just "Ron" to both Harry and Hermione.
I dislike
the movies
for making him somewhat enstranged, Hermione calling him Ronald.
Notice, how we never hear her in the movies call Harry "Henry", or "Harry James".

It changes their relationship. That is what bothers me. Hermione calling Ron "Ronald" changes their
friendship.
It gives us an impression that she is not close to him, or that she maybe, say, despises him.
While reading the books I got the impression that Hermione was equally close to both Harry and Ron,
and that the boys were maybe a wee bit closer to each other as friends.
Later on,
Ron and Hermione developed some kind of crush,true,but there was no need
to call each other formally.

This bothers me.
Why make it formal?
Why would Hermione call people differently?
Does she call Ginny "Ginevra"? No.

Does she call her boyfriend Viktor some other name? No.
All people in the world call him Viktor and so does she.

So
why do this weird change?
What are the writers trying to prove to us?
It gives me the impression
that Hermione either dislikes Ron or has some weird issues with him.
It is weird since the beginning of the PoA movie.
That was the first time she called him Ronald, while talking about Lupin`s suitcase on the train.
It just
does not fit.

Makes me feel like they are trying to put Ron down even more. As if his stupid scared faces weren`t enough of disgrace to Ron`s character
However, the Trio`s relationships are so screwed up in the movies, I should not even waste my time complaining about
a tiny fragment of all that mess

So,
if someone suggests that something occures in the books and I do not see the very thing in the books, I will require a proof.
That is all.
Nothing personal.
It is as simple as this. If you wrote that Harry is a hopeless romantic, I would DEFINITELY
ask you to provide qutoes from the books that prove this.
Other example:As I have written on the H/Hr dance subject, it is not how book-Harry and book-Hermione would act,
and
I wrote the very specific examples from the books, where we can read with our own eyes how uncomfortable Harry
always is around dancing.
He is also uncomfortable around crying girls, even a crying Hermione.
So that is all there is to it:
If you think that book-Hermione calls Ron "Ronald", I would like
to see a proof...
Personally , I cannot find any other Ronald scene in the books, except the one in DH, after Ron returned.

...
On other matter:
I would change lots of things as far as the relationships go.
Of course, I would change Albus`s personality in the movies. I would let him act calmly, affectionately, lovingly,
smart,
wise,
cool.

I would change Hermione`s style in the first 4 movies. I mean, come on, if Alyson Hannigan can
pull of both a nerd,
and a hot chick, why cannot Emma Watson?

I would love to see a nerd-like Hermione who changes into a beautiful girl in GoF.
Sadly,
the movies never gave us this.

I would definitely let RON be a brave and smart guy that he is in the books.
I would
also change his friendship with Harry to be more like it is in the books.

Changes I would love to make:

SS:
Seamus rum scene - cut it, or change it.

CoS:
Ron being SCARED of the Howler. This I would change to what it REALLY was in the book.
The Weasleys looking around checking out the Burrow as if they are there for the first time.
Ginny - more screen time, more acting!

PoA:
I would make Ron stop doing stupid scared faces. Make him look brave and give him his brave lines.
Cut Ron`s stupid face after Harry and Hermione returned from the Time Turner adventure.
Cut the whole Albus hitting Ron`s wounded leg scene!
Give Hermione a different outfit during the Time Turner scenes. Like, say, a nerdy sweater or something.
More Marauders backstory.
Sirius should definitely not laugh all the time.

GoF
Hermione should look more nerdy and geeky before she comes to the Ball all beautiful.
Quidditch World Cup - at least a bit of the game should be there.
Harry should not be left alone to see the Dark Mark. He just happened to be the one who saw Crouch Jr. I did not like it.
More Crouch backstory.
More sadness at the end of the movie.
More Harry-Dumbledore connecting and bonding, more wise talk from Sirius in the fire and from Dumbledore. Not just that nonsense.
Snape should NEVER hurt the students physically!!!!! NEVER! Book-Snape never does that.

OotP:
Harry should rage at the end and break stuff in Albus` office.
Cho should not have been the traitor.
Harry-Cho fight should have been there.
Ginny should act more like book-Ginny.
Snape should, again NOT hurt Harry physically! No shoving Harry around! That is something book-Snape just never does.


HBP
More book-like Ginny.
Harry comforting Hermione should be cut.
Cut burning down the Burrow.
More real Albus/Harry scenes!

DH
DUMBLEDORE!...King`s Cross!...
Ron/Hermione kiss should be visible.
Harry should not ask what should he do in the King Cross Scene.
Albus-backstory and more Hallows.
Fred`s death.
More cheering after Harry defeated Voldy for good. Or at least SOME cheering!
Less horrible make-up in the last scene.



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Old December 12th, 2011, 3:40 pm
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Re: What would you change about the films?

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Hi!

I am just kind of a hardrock-honest-to-heart-canon-proof kind of HP fan

And that goes for the books primarily.

WHY does it bother me?
Good question.
See, in the books
Ron was always just "Ron" to both Harry and Hermione.
I dislike
the movies
for making him somewhat enstranged, Hermione calling him Ronald.
Notice, how we never hear her in the movies call Harry "Henry", or "Harry James".

It changes their relationship. That is what bothers me. Hermione calling Ron "Ronald" changes their
friendship.
It gives us an impression that she is not close to him, or that she maybe, say, despises him.
While reading the books I got the impression that Hermione was equally close to both Harry and Ron,
and that the boys were maybe a wee bit closer to each other as friends.
Later on,
Ron and Hermione developed some kind of crush,true,but there was no need
to call each other formally.

This bothers me.
Why make it formal?
Why would Hermione call people differently?
Does she call Ginny "Ginevra"? No.
Does she call her boyfriend Viktor some other name? No.
All people in the world call him Viktor and so does she.
So
why do this weird change?
What are the writers trying to prove to us?
It gives me the impression
that Hermione either dislikes Ron or has some weird issues with him.
It is weird since the beginning of the PoA movie.
That was the first time she called him Ronald, while talking about Lupin`s suitcase on the train.
It just
does not fit.
Wow really? That's interesting. Fair enough if that's what you think, each is to their own . I personally never had a problem with it. In fact to me, Hermione calling Ron formally in the films was just another foreshadowing their relationship. Because in my personal experience, people who are in a relationship (or attracted to each other) call their partner/the person they are attracted to formally when they're trying to prove a point or are annoyed at them etc. In the films Hermione calls Ron "Ronald" when she's either angry at him, or when she's pointing something out to him (like on the train in POA since Lupin's name was obviously on the suitcase - Ron just didn't look) I've seen this happen many times. My mum does it to my dad, she calls him "Phil" during a normal conversation, but when she's angry at him or trying to prove a point she calls him "Philip". So I personally think that the writers are trying another way express Hermione's feeling for Ron by making her call him "Ronald".

Sorry if that's weird, but that's what I think


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Old December 12th, 2011, 7:02 pm
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Re: What would you change about the films?

Yeah i actually think the opposite. Hermione calling Ron, Ronald, is sort of a way to show their closeness because she is the only one that did it. It shows that there relationship is different.


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Old December 12th, 2011, 7:36 pm
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Yeah i actually think the opposite. Hermione calling Ron, Ronald, is sort of a way to show their closeness because she is the only one that did it. It shows that there relationship is different.
yes i have to agree with this


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Old December 13th, 2011, 11:25 am
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in my personal experience, people who are in a relationship (or attracted to each other) call their partner/the person they are attracted to formally when they're trying to prove a point or are annoyed at them etc. In the films Hermione calls Ron "Ronald" when she's either angry at him, or when she's pointing something out to him (like on the train in POA since Lupin's name was obviously on the suitcase - Ron just didn't look) I've seen this happen many times. My mum does it to my dad, she calls him "Phil" during a normal conversation, but when she's angry at him or trying to prove a point she calls him "Philip". So I personally think that the writers are trying another way express Hermione's feeling for Ron by making her call him "Ronald".

Sorry if that's weird, but that's what I think
I understand. I am just too obsessed with the HP books. True , in the US movies and sitcoms I see a lot of scenes
where a person calls another person formally when annoyed.
I have no problem with your life experience being similar

However, Harry Potter is not an american sitcom.
It is a
story of its own, taking place in the early nineties, in England, and the books show us clearly,
that
Hermione never calls anyone differently, not even her other boyfriend.

In PoA it really struck me. I saw such a beautiful friendship while reading the train scene in the book.
The movie, however, offers me a Hermione being all like:
You Ronald, you are so ignorant, you!...

...Oh well.

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Yeah i actually think the opposite. Hermione calling Ron, Ronald, is sort of a way to show their closeness because she is the only one that did it. It shows that there relationship is different.
Actually, she is not the only one in the movies.
There are other people who call him Ronald too.
His mother does this, when
she is angry at him.
I prefer the book version, where Hermione and Ron really like each other and she never puts him down because of stupid reasons like when he did not notice Lupin`s suitcase.




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Hermione never calls anyone differently, not even her other boyfriend.
I'm sorry - I'm confused. Do you mean Viktor Krum? I don't think there was a longer version of his name. Come to think of it, though, Viktorius kind of fits, but I don't think it's canon.

My guess is that if Harry's first name were actually Henry, Hermione would have called him that when she was annoyed with him. I think one of Hermione's flaws was coming across as a "know-it-all" and the film had her use Ron's full name to show us that part of her personality.


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Old December 20th, 2011, 10:04 pm
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Include the circular room with the spinning walls and add more chambers at the Ministry of Magic in Order of the Phoenix


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Old December 21st, 2011, 4:08 pm
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I'm sorry - I'm confused. Do you mean Viktor Krum? I don't think there was a longer version of his name. Come to think of it, though, Viktorius kind of fits, but I don't think it's canon.

My guess is that if Harry's first name were actually Henry, Hermione would have called him that when she was annoyed with him. I think one of Hermione's flaws was coming across as a "know-it-all" and the film had her use Ron's full name to show us that part of her personality.
Well, except for the fact, that there is NO PART OF HER PERSONALITY in the books that uses his full name.

And sure, it is nice to see her as a know it all in the movies - by why at the expense of Ron?


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Old December 21st, 2011, 5:51 pm
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In Prisoner of Azkaban, the explanation of who Sirius was, and how he and Lupin related to each other and to Harry's life was abysmal. And people who haven't read the books in my family, I have had to explain the maurauder's map to, because they had NO idea how Lupin figured out how to work it.

The Marauder's were important to the third, and they basically skipped them. Seeing as how we meet all of their transfigured sides, and see or at least make reference to their human selves, that should have been explained, even in small detail.

The firebolt should have come when it was supposed to, not at the end.




Also, didn't they mention in the first book that Harry's name was just Harry? That was in Chapter 1, I think, where the Dursley's are using it to judge the Potters for being common?


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The firebolt should have come when it was supposed to, not at the end.
This was an excellent adaptational decision.

Had I read the book first, I would have deduced that Sirius was a good guy once it is established that the firebolt is not jinxed: it's blatantly obvious. All other candidates as senders of the firebolt are dismissed by Hermione, who is the author's "voice". It is made very clear that Sirius sent the firebolt, and once it is clear that it is AOK then it follows that his intentions must be good and that Evil!Sirius! is a false trail.

Without that info, film audiences still think that Sirius is a villain until the great revelations of the Shrieking Shack scene (I half expected Lupin to be killed by Sirius, in defence of the kids).

Do Potter fans never read or watch mysteries and crime thrillers?

I disagree with your other points too. Film audiences no more needed an explanation of how Lupin knew about the map than they did about how the twins worked out how to use it.


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Old December 21st, 2011, 7:42 pm
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I disagree with your other points too. Film audiences no more needed an explanation of how Lupin knew about the map than they did about how the twins worked out how to use it.
So you really don't think that by avoiding the explanation of the marauders, (which is avoiding the explanation of how Lupin knew about the map), was avoiding the main point of that story?

For me, POA had two purposes. To explain the past by introducing Sirius and the Marauders. And to put Pettigrew in place for book 4. And they failed in the first one really, because we met all four of the marauders, but it was never explained what they were.


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Old December 21st, 2011, 8:57 pm
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I would have put Peeves in the films, especially that line at the end of DH!


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So you really don't think that by avoiding the explanation of the marauders, (which is avoiding the explanation of how Lupin knew about the map), was avoiding the main point of that story?

For me, POA had two purposes. To explain the past by introducing Sirius and the Marauders. And to put Pettigrew in place for book 4. And they failed in the first one really, because we met all four of the marauders, but it was never explained what they were.
The Marauders are an (expendable) subplot of PoA which is about Harry discovering the truth behind the story he has been told, and acting upon the truth he discovers, and therefore finding a father figure.

Not dissimilar both plotwise and storywise to Great Expectations, which has been filmed very successfully without the various subplots and minor characters.


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The Marauders are an (expendable) subplot of PoA which is about Harry discovering the truth behind the story he has been told, and acting upon the truth he discovers, and therefore finding a father figure.

Not dissimilar both plotwise and storywise to Great Expectations, which has been filmed very successfully without the various subplots and minor characters.
It might have been expendable, but it was still information that was good to have. It would explain a lot of the relationships between the Marauders. Why it was so dastardly that Pettigrew betrayed them. Why they picked Pettigrew in the first place to defend them. While it was shown in the movies later in Snape's memories, It would have been nice to expound upon the subplot in order to have a better understanding of how things in the present came to be as they are.


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It might have been expendable, but it was still information that was good to have. It would explain a lot of the relationships between the Marauders. Why it was so dastardly that Pettigrew betrayed them. Why they picked Pettigrew in the first place to defend them. While it was shown in the movies later in Snape's memories, It would have been nice to expound upon the subplot in order to have a better understanding of how things in the present came to be as they are.
Read this

http://hp-essays.livejournal.com/242482.html

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Read this

http://hp-essays.livejournal.com/242482.html

And then see if you still believe that the Maurader's explanation was not there.
I still believe that the Marauder's explanation was not there. There was a plethora of information about James and his relation to them. But.. what I'm saying is that I would have liked acknowledgement, specifically, that they were the Marauders.

There's a difference between being friends in school, and being in a clique.

It's easy for those of us who have read the books to extrapolate the information, but for those who couldn't be bothered or convinced to read the books, the information about the Marauders isn't as easily accessible. I know the films aren't meant to be a stand alone, that they are an adaptation, and are best watched after reading the books, that's not always the case.

I'm saying I would change it for that purpose alone. Because if I had a dollar for every time I had to explain it. There shouldn't be a need for any explanation, and that's the thing that I've been asked most about. So clearly for those who haven't read the books for whatever reason, it is not being explained to an adequate level. And I would personally change that about the films.


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