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Old February 12th, 2011, 3:11 pm
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Re: Severus Snape: Character Analysis Reboot v.4

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Originally Posted by MinervasCat View Post
I gues part of my question about the textbook is, why a teacher, who has been so strict on Harry and given him point deductions for much less serious things than almost killing someone, would allow him to blatantly lie to him? He knew Harry presented him with a fake book, yet he did not insist that Harry go and get the actual book. I also would think Severus would want the book back in safe keeping where it wouldn't fall into anyone else's hands.

Did he feel Harry might gain from the contents of the book? We see he did learn several useful spells, and, the learned about the bezoar, or at least was reminded about it from the HBP book. Or, could it be Severus was actually a bit pleased that Harry wanted to keep the book? Did he get a bit of a chuckle, knowing how Harry hated him but must have admired the HBP enough to lie to keep his book?
I think this is another instance where Snape allowed Harry to do as he pleased, when he could allow that. I think he was pleased Harry valued the Book and I think he liked the fact Harry thought that the Book was important enough to him that he needed to hide it. I think Snape did feel that Harry would learn from it, some useful spells and maybe some fun spells too. I think Snape was amused that Harry who so obviously hated him, liked his Book and I like to think Snape was proud too that Harry thought his book valuable. Snape's creativity, his inventions were appreciated and I think that pleased Snape on some level, which was why he allowed Harry to retain that Book.

Also I think that Book did not contain dark magic or terrible/horrible spells, because if they did, I think Snape would not have left it in the School cupboard in the first place. so, I think that shows that Snape's creations/inventions were all above board.

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Originally Posted by MsJPotter View Post
[staff edit] I wrote about smashed bottles and how impossible it is to get water back in. Even if you glue the darn thing together, it kind of leaks through the cracks.
I think the example does not hold for me because the Potters were alive when Snape came to Dumbledore and there were means to protect them, to keep them safe from Voldemort for as long as it took. They went under the Fidelus charm and I think if they had not been betrayed by Peter, they would have lived and maybe even survived the second war, unless of course they died of natural causes/the war (assuming they decided to fight in the Order again).

But they did not survive; they died. I feel they did not die because of Snape but because Peter betrayed them. I don't hold Snape responsible for what Peter did or for what Voldemort did. Even as he came to Dumbledore, I think Snape was still culpable for taking a Prophecy knowing Voldemort would use it in a harmful manner and kill a child.

I think Snape would fully be responsible for James and Lily's deaths had he not come to Dumbledore and warned him in time. Then had the Potters died even when they were in hiding, Snape imo would have been fully responsible for their deaths. But when Snape came to Dumbledore and warned him, and later the Potters died because Peter betrayed their hiding place, I don't think Snape is responsible or culpable for that betrayal or murder.

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I didn't read any dates in that passage.
Do you mean in canon? I agree there are no dates; I was answering another poster; but I feel what ever the date I am quite sure Snape came well in time to warn Dumbledore. By well in time I mean he came when the Potters were alive. That is canon as I understand in the Prince's Tale.

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You know I never read anything about Snape using Legilimency and then drawing these conclusions, aren't they in the books. [staff edit]
HBP - Sectumsempra"Liar," said Snape. Harry's throat went dry. He knew what Snape was going to do and he had never been able to prevent it...

The bathroom seemed to shimmer before his eyes; he struggled to block out all thought, but try as he might, the Half-Blood Prince's copy of Advanced Potion-Making swam hazily to the forefront of his mind.

And then he was staring at Snape again, in the midst of this wrecked, soaked bathroom. He stared into Snape's black eyes, hoping against hope that Snape had not seen what he feared, but --

"Bring me your schoolbag," said Snape softly, "and all of your schoolbooks. All of them. Bring them to me here. Now!"

There was not point arguing. Harry turned at once and splashed

out of the bathroom. Once in the corridor, he broke into a run toward Gryffindor Tower. Most people were walking the other way; they gaped at him, drenched in water and blood, but he answered none of the questions fired at him as he ran past.

He felt stunned; it was as though a beloved pet had turned suddenly savage; what had the Prince been thinking to copy such a spell into his book? And what would happen when Snape saw it? Would he tell Slughorn -- Harry's stomach churned -- how Harry had been achieving such good results in Potions all year? Would he confiscate or destroy the book that had taught Harry so much...the book that had become a kind of guide and friend? Harry could not let it happen...he could not...

Harry ran flat-out toward the bathroom on the floor below, cramming Ron's copy of Advanced Potion-Making into his bag as he did so. A minute later, he was back in front of Snape, who held out his hand wordlessly for Harry's schoolbag. Harry handed it over, panting, a searing pain in his chest, and waited.

One by one, Snape extracted Harry's books and examined them. Finally, the only book left was the Potions book, which he looked at very carefully before speaking.

"This is your copy of Advanced Potion-Making, is it, Potter?"

"Yes," said Harry, still breathing hard.

"You're quite sure of that, are you, Potter?"

"Yes," said Harry, with a touch more defiance.

"This is the copy of Advanced Potion-Making that you purchased from Flourish and Blotts?"

"Yes," said Harry firmly.

"Then why," asked Snape, "does it have the name 'Roonil Waslib' written inside the front cover?"

Harry's heart missed a beat. "That's my nickname," he said.

"Your nickname, repeated Snape.

"Yeah...that's what my friends call me," said Harry.

"I understand what a nickname is," said Snape. The cold, black eyes were boring once more into Harry's; he tried not to look into them. Close your mind...Close your mind...But he had never learned how to do it properly...

Do you know what I think, Potter?" said Snape, very quietly. "I think that you are a liar and a cheat and that you deserve detention with me every Saturday until the end of term. What do you think Potter?"


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Originally Posted by ccollinsmith View Post
Based on what we know of Snape's interests, abilities, and pet peeves, might a Potions class with brainiac Ravenclaws and diligent Hufflepuffs have gone more smoothly? Or would Snape have been as frustrated in double-potions with these other houses as he was with teaching Gryffindor?
I think Snape was the same to everyone; if they were clumsy I think they suffered his sarcasm or anger depending upon how careless they've been. I don't think he was different to other sets of students.

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Originally Posted by ignisia View Post
But do the pairings ever change in other years? Are Slytherins ever paired with Hufflepuffs or Ravenclaws, pre-NEWT? What about a Gryffindor-Ravenclaw class? I think the dynamics would be very different depending on who is being taught.
I don't think they do. Harry's set always has classes with Slytherins until sixth year when all the four Houses study together (IIRC).


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Last edited by Hes; February 12th, 2011 at 3:26 pm. Reason: please check the post you quoted, there might be edits.
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