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Re: Moral Ambiguities

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead View Post
This may be the best place for this question:

Is the Deathly Hallows symbol a hate symbol akin to the swastika?

In DH we see Krum almost punch Xenophilius for wearing the symbol because Krum associated it with Grindelwald's reign of terror. While Xenophilius was wearing it with its original intention/use in mind, was he wrong to do so given its general association with genocide? Would it be akin to someone (in western culture) wearing the swastika say, as a fertility symbol, and others taking offense to it as a symbol of Nazism? If so, is it morally wrong for Xenophilius/the Muggle analog to wear such a symbol?

On top of all that, what are your thoughts on the symbol being used as a general symbol of HP by the fandom? Is it insensitive, a take back of a hateful symbol to be positive/owned (similar to some derogatory words being 'taken back' and used in a nonchalant/positive way by the once-oppressed), or irrelevant because fans only consider the Deathly Hallows part of the symbol (and not the Grindelwald part)? Thoughts?
That's an interesting question. Anything can be hijacked or corrupted to a cause other than its original intent. The Deathly Hallows symbol merely represented the story of 3 very powerful magical objects that can thwart or manipulate death. Whether magical or muggle, one can see the appeal of acquiring the objects if they did exist -- although the tale does warn that none of the 3 can save anyone from eventual death. The symbol only becomes a problem if you acquire the power (as in the wand particularly) in order to use it to suppress/control/eliminate those you believe to be an enemy or less worthy of control of their own lives. Which is what Grindewald did. So to people affected by that, such as Krum's part of the world, his anger is understandable, although Zenophilius's intent was not the same (he did wear it inconspicuously, however, so we can assume he was well aware of how some people viewed it as evil). And yet other parts of the wizarding world were unaware of the symbol's existence.

You probably know that the symbol chosen by the Nazi movement, the swastika, is centuries old in many cultures and represents many meanings -- the sun, acceptance, returning to the earth, protection from evil, etc. But considering the fact that in recent history the symbol came to represent those who wrought evil and death on vast numbers of people, at least in the Western world the symbol has no redemption as the first memory it seems to evoke on seeing it is the Nazi atrocities.

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